Hang on guys, why pass missE09 onto other forums - think about it - collectively we have tried every weight loss program, pill, diet, fad known to man - who is there, better than us, to give advise on what works and what doesn't? Let's face it, the only reason most of us are resorting to WLS is because of our addiction to food, and because of that other diets don't work long term - it doesn't mean that they don't work, and I think we could give some bloody good advise to people like MissE09!