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I think I'm Stuck!

Peterborough Guy

Luton and Dunstable
Need your help and thoughts please, so I can lost just over 10 Stone, but now my weight seems to fluctuate by about 2lb, but is not shifting any more.

I have tried loads of different types of food, adjusting my exercise, trying to do more/less I have even tried upping/decreasing my food but nothing seems to work. I have tried upping my fluid intake as well, but again this doesn't seem to of worked either, so I am sat here scratching my head lol

My dietitian told me to stop counting cals and just eat what I want, but stick to 3 meals a day, but since I have done this, I have gained 1 lb, but I am not too worried about this as I feel in control.

So any tips would be appreciated, if I have to stay the weight I am, then that is fine by me as I feel great and my health has improved immensely, however I don't want it to have stopped yet, I would like to lose at least another 3 stone yet.
 
You have done AMAZING, maybe your body just wants to rest for a bit?

As I'm pre-op I'm afraid I can't give you the benefit of my wls experience and it sounds like you've already changed most of the things I would recommend. However, when I've stalled on diets in the past I've found that if I just eat 'normally' for a week or so and then start the diet again it sometimes helps.

I've also read people mention a 'pouch test' on here before when others have stalled but I don't know what that is?!?

Best of luck - I'm sure someone will be along soon with more experience but don't get disheartened when you've done well x
 
Wow 10 stone ! Don't scratch your head , pat it !! I am just the same I should lose about another 2stone but the weight has been very slow since September. What I don't understand is I was told I may lose up to about 70% of my excess so the remaining 30% is about what I'm left with ? It seems alot of people stop losing when they have around 2-3 stone left to lose. I'm very confused.com !

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Hi PG, well done on the incredible loss so far, truly inspirational and the recent pics show how great you are looking!

I think, as said above, that your body is probably just taking stock of what has happened to it. According to some on another forum I visit, it is not unusual to have stalls that last up to 3 months! Frustrating as it is I guess we can't do much about it.

I don't know what exercise you do but I had a gym induction yesterday and was talking about interval training - alternate bursts of fast and slow activity - and it apparently boosts your metabolism and increases fat loss. It might be worth looking into that. I guess our bodies are very clever machines (prob too clever for our liking!) and they can rapidly adjust and get used to what we are doing. I've stalled for the last month or so, in fact gained a few pounds, and have been obsessing about diet, fluid intake etc and getting nowhere fast! Good luck:)
 
Its unusual for guys to stall when they are still as heavy as you are Gary, but maybe its the sleeve that is slowing your loss down. They do say it takes longer to reach goal with the sleeve and maybe that's true, at nine months I'd lost 15 stone and hit goal at ten months having lost another stone, but I was hitting the gym six days a week and still measuring my intake religiously. I did have the bypass rather than the sleeve too

What exercise do you actually take, what intensity, and how often. I see lots of your posts regarding the food you eat, some of which are a little concerning because of their content and behavioural demonstration rather than the quantities, but other than the odd bike ride post I don't see that you're busting your arse at the gym five days a week.

Do you log your intake/exercise on one of the free websites? maybe you should do this. As you say it might be that your body has reached the point where it is comfortable but to be honest that really is cobblers, if your output is less than your input the laws of physics dictate that you lose weight. So its either what you're eating or not eating, or how much you are moving your arse.
 
You have done AMAZING, maybe your body just wants to rest for a bit?

As I'm pre-op I'm afraid I can't give you the benefit of my wls experience and it sounds like you've already changed most of the things I would recommend. However, when I've stalled on diets in the past I've found that if I just eat 'normally' for a week or so and then start the diet again it sometimes helps.

I've also read people mention a 'pouch test' on here before when others have stalled but I don't know what that is?!?

Best of luck - I'm sure someone will be along soon with more experience but don't get disheartened when you've done well x

Thanks for your support, Im sure it will sort itself out very soon.
 
Wow 10 stone ! Don't scratch your head , pat it !! I am just the same I should lose about another 2stone but the weight has been very slow since September. What I don't understand is I was told I may lose up to about 70% of my excess so the remaining 30% is about what I'm left with ? It seems alot of people stop losing when they have around 2-3 stone left to lose. I'm very confused.com !

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Haha, bless ya, Im sure you will get there in the end though, you have done so well so far.
 
Hi PG, well done on the incredible loss so far, truly inspirational and the recent pics show how great you are looking!

I think, as said above, that your body is probably just taking stock of what has happened to it. According to some on another forum I visit, it is not unusual to have stalls that last up to 3 months! Frustrating as it is I guess we can't do much about it.

I don't know what exercise you do but I had a gym induction yesterday and was talking about interval training - alternate bursts of fast and slow activity - and it apparently boosts your metabolism and increases fat loss. It might be worth looking into that. I guess our bodies are very clever machines (prob too clever for our liking!) and they can rapidly adjust and get used to what we are doing. I've stalled for the last month or so, in fact gained a few pounds, and have been obsessing about diet, fluid intake etc and getting nowhere fast! Good luck:)

Thanks, I now have a fitness instructor that wants to take me under her wing, and give me a mini boot camp lol, she sounds scary enough on the phone let alone in person lol.
 
Well done PG, 3 stone left to lose it will happen. Some of us with families and kids cant get down the gym six days a week!!! Karlos i was looking at your stats and 10.7 stone for a 5'9 bloke seems a little light, dont exercise yourself away!
Keep at it PG, in the not too distant future i'll be reading about you loss
Kim
 
Its unusual for guys to stall when they are still as heavy as you are Gary, but maybe its the sleeve that is slowing your loss down. They do say it takes longer to reach goal with the sleeve and maybe that's true, at nine months I'd lost 15 stone and hit goal at ten months having lost another stone, but I was hitting the gym six days a week and still measuring my intake religiously. I did have the bypass rather than the sleeve too

What exercise do you actually take, what intensity, and how often. I see lots of your posts regarding the food you eat, some of which are a little concerning because of their content and behavioural demonstration rather than the quantities, but other than the odd bike ride post I don't see that you're busting your arse at the gym five days a week.

Do you log your intake/exercise on one of the free websites? maybe you should do this. As you say it might be that your body has reached the point where it is comfortable but to be honest that really is cobblers, if your output is less than your input the laws of physics dictate that you lose weight. So its either what you're eating or not eating, or how much you are moving your arse.

Thanks for your words of support Karl, well I think that's what they are!

Firstly I have had a bypass and not the sleeve.

I have only done cycling at the moment, and am doing around 40 miles a week, which I am sure wasn't anywhere near the amount of exercise that you use to do, but as I am under my medical team and they are happy with my weight loss, I guess I am on par, although I will be seeing a fitness instructor next week, who is going to work with me on a one to one basis outside of the gym. So in your own words no 'I'm not busting my arse off'.

And as for intake/exercise, as I have previously posted, my medical team, have told me to no longer count the calories and relax and start living my life, and stick to 3 meals a day.

Interestingly though a lady that had the bypass a week before me at L&D has stalled for 3 months.
 
He had the bypass not the sleeve.

I think all of us stress at some point or other about getting stuck; I'm stressing about it at six weeks post op but have been reassured by a visit to my dietitican and the support group. Maybe you should book a visit to yours? I found going through what I eat, and being reassured that this ISN'T the end of life as we know it, hugely reassuring.
 
I have spoken to my dietitian at the local hospital who I work with doing her Bariatric seminars, and she has agreed to see me to go over what I am eating and drinking and see if she can help in anyway. She did remind me though to measure myself more and stay of the scales again.

I do think I am losing inches at the moment, as I had to use a smaller hole on my belt today, so I think I may be stressing a bit too much, and once I meet the personal trainer and she decides she can help me, hopefully it will start moving again.

I did express my concerns at my 6 monthly post op meet and they weren't concerned but agreed for me to come back in 3 months review the situation for my benefit.
 
Thanks for your words of support Karl, well I think that's what they are!

Firstly I have had a bypass and not the sleeve.

I have only done cycling at the moment, and am doing around 40 miles a week, which I am sure wasn't anywhere near the amount of exercise that you use to do, but as I am under my medical team and they are happy with my weight loss, I guess I am on par, although I will be seeing a fitness instructor next week, who is going to work with me on a one to one basis outside of the gym. So in your own words no 'I'm not busting my arse off'.

And as for intake/exercise, as I have previously posted, my medical team, have told me to no longer count the calories and relax and start living my life, and stick to 3 meals a day.

Interestingly though a lady that had the bypass a week before me at L&D has stalled for 3 months.

You say you're on par and that your team are happy with your loss then in that case what's this thread about? if you want us to say you're doing great Gary and don't worry about it it will happen, then; you're doing great Gary and don't worry about it it will happen.....maybe

If you want some advice from someone who has reached goal then I'd say you need to change what you're currently doing because its stopped giving you what you say you want ;)

Ladies do lose weight more slowly and tend to have more stalls than us guys. Their fat deposits are distributed differently and they carry a higher percentage of essential fat anyway, its a girl thing :D:D God hates them :D:D

I thought you had been sleeved Gary sorry, that would have been a possible reason for a stall as sleevers tend to lose slower than us but lose right out to two years, where as the bypass tends to bottom out after just over a year. After a year the weight loss is down to us rather than the bypass

It was meant to be support though you know me I don't wrap stuff in cotton wool LOL, but exercise is a vital part of the process and you really do have a year tops to maximise your lifestyle changes and weight loss. Once you are through the honeymoon period it really does get tough, if you haven't made the most of it by then with diet and vitally by exercise it might never happen

My cycling was only for fun really and I only did around 45 miles on a Saturday morning once a week, Saturdays were my only day off from the gym where I did three spin classes and three days on the weights. The fitness instructor will hopefully be able to kick start a programme that may get you back on track, but again there is no way you will lose your target of another three stone unless you take regular effective exercise, it really is key.

I've never counted a calorie post op. I concentrated on getting in the required 130g of protein I needed to facilitate my high level of exercise and only after that did I take in some complex carbs. I am not advising you to ignore the advice from your NUT but it kind of flies in the face of what at least four NUTs have said to me in my post op life. Yours knows your case so they might be giving you the very best advice for you, but it would not have worked for me. Three meals a day means bigger meals and long intervals between meals where your hunger increases and the risk of over eating or grazing is greatly increased. I still eat at least six planned small meals a day spread throughout the day. This means my pouch is not overstretched, and my metabolism is super quick. I don't snack because I just eat planned meals of good protein rich food. Like I say you should go with your providers advice but its not working for you at present.

My weight is taken every week at the hospital and perversely I get praised if I've gained weight :D:D go figure them apples, but if it wasn't I'd still weigh myself at the same time every week. I would want to be in control not to find out I'd gained a significant amount of weight after the fact. Like I say once you're a year out its like losing weight was before your op, tough. Once your appetite returns with a vengeance and your intestines develop ways to increase the absorption of calories from the food you eat you will find out how hard it is to maintain. Unless we change our relationship with food and exercise we are at risk of regain.

That's why I cringe when I see you making sugar free deserts. Because sugar free today leads to balls out proper trifle tomorrow. Trust me I've seen it many times over the last three years. Its a behavioural thing Gary, unless we change ours we can slip back into the dark days. Again I'm talking from experience. I've seen probably the most switched on WLS patient ever who started making SF sweets and cakes, she called them protein cakes and for a while laughed at me for refusing to eat them. However after a while when she had failed to reach goal then to her horror realised she was regaining she worked it out that she was eating more and more of these sweet things and worse real sugar too. She admitted she should have listened to me a year earlier before it was too late.

Good luck with getting to whatever goal you're on a par and happy with x
 
Karlos said:
You say you're on par and that your team are happy with your loss then in that case what's this thread about? if you want us to say you're doing great Gary and don't worry about it it will happen, then; you're doing great Gary and don't worry about it it will happen.....maybe

If you want some advice from someone who has reached goal then I'd say you need to change what you're currently doing because its stopped giving you what you say you want ;)

Ladies do lose weight more slowly and tend to have more stalls than us guys. Their fat deposits are distributed differently and they carry a higher percentage of essential fat anyway, its a girl thing :D:D God hates them :D:D

I thought you had been sleeved Gary sorry, that would have been a possible reason for a stall as sleevers tend to lose slower than us but lose right out to two years, where as the bypass tends to bottom out after just over a year. After a year the weight loss is down to us rather than the bypass

It was meant to be support though you know me I don't wrap stuff in cotton wool LOL, but exercise is a vital part of the process and you really do have a year tops to maximise your lifestyle changes and weight loss. Once you are through the honeymoon period it really does get tough, if you haven't made the most of it by then with diet and vitally by exercise it might never happen

My cycling was only for fun really and I only did around 45 miles on a Saturday morning once a week, Saturdays were my only day off from the gym where I did three spin classes and three days on the weights. The fitness instructor will hopefully be able to kick start a programme that may get you back on track, but again there is no way you will lose your target of another three stone unless you take regular effective exercise, it really is key.

I've never counted a calorie post op. I concentrated on getting in the required 130g of protein I needed to facilitate my high level of exercise and only after that did I take in some complex carbs. I am not advising you to ignore the advice from your NUT but it kind of flies in the face of what at least four NUTs have said to me in my post op life. Yours knows your case so they might be giving you the very best advice for you, but it would not have worked for me. Three meals a day means bigger meals and long intervals between meals where your hunger increases and the risk of over eating or grazing is greatly increased. I still eat at least six planned small meals a day spread throughout the day. This means my pouch is not overstretched, and my metabolism is super quick. I don't snack because I just eat planned meals of good protein rich food. Like I say you should go with your providers advice but its not working for you at present.

My weight is taken every week at the hospital and perversely I get praised if I've gained weight :D:D go figure them apples, but if it wasn't I'd still weigh myself at the same time every week. I would want to be in control not to find out I'd gained a significant amount of weight after the fact. Like I say once you're a year out its like losing weight was before your op, tough. Once your appetite returns with a vengeance and your intestines develop ways to increase the absorption of calories from the food you eat you will find out how hard it is to maintain. Unless we change our relationship with food and exercise we are at risk of regain.

That's why I cringe when I see you making sugar free deserts. Because sugar free today leads to balls out proper trifle tomorrow. Trust me I've seen it many times over the last three years. Its a behavioural thing Gary, unless we change ours we can slip back into the dark days. Again I'm talking from experience. I've seen probably the most switched on WLS patient ever who started making SF sweets and cakes, she called them protein cakes and for a while laughed at me for refusing to eat them. However after a while when she had failed to reach goal then to her horror realised she was regaining she worked it out that she was eating more and more of these sweet things and worse real sugar too. She admitted she should have listened to me a year earlier before it was too late.

Good luck with getting to whatever goal you're on a par and happy with x

Karlos, I love the fact that you don't wrap stuff in cotton wool, and reading this has given me a kick up the proverbial to make sure I stay on track.
I'm working away from home at the moment, staying in a hotel Mon-Fri and going out most nights to socialise and eat with colleagues.
I've told my bosses I'll be moving hotels next week so I have access to a gym and swimming pool, and advised my colleagues I'll be spending my evenings working on me rather than my conversations with them, eating not-that-great food that I neither want or need. At just over 6 months post-op, I want to ensure I don't begin to descend down that slippery slope.
Thanks again Karlos!
xXx
 
You're welcome Louanne. I know I'm like a broken record (For the youngsters here records were like big CDs that were played on record players :D.....No wait I'll bet some of you have never seen a CD either just an MP3 file icon :D:D) but it really is vital that we make the most of the honeymoon or golden period that is over so quickly. Because the weight drops off for most of us fairly easily at first (Look at Gary's really decent weight loss with as he admits a fairly poor exercise regime, he'll see real results if he can get this trainer working with him provided he does his bit) we slip into a comfort zone and rely on the reduced intake and malabsorption to do the work instead of maximising it with exercise.

I've seen some fantastic results from some people, results that make mine look really average, but these people worked their arses off to get to where they wanted to be. Normal wasn't enough for these people they wanted to be better than "normal". I don't often see goal reached and maintained by people who don't work out. It is a two front battle we face if we are to be the best we can be.

I work away from home quite a bit and its tough to eat well when away from the home, its too easy to accept that we have no choice but to eat crappy stuff. Let's face it crappy stuff tastes chuffin great LOL and its hard for us former fatties to employ restraint as we've had years of throwing the worst stuff possible down our necks LOL

I always tried to stay at a hotel with a gym, but it was easier for me as I was alone for most of the time, its harder for you staying away with others so good luck xxx
 
Karlos interesting what you say about sleevers having a longer time than bypassers overall to lose weight; I didn't know that. It's given me hope.

I'd be very interested to see a food diary of yours over one day to see what your six small meals consist of, and how you get all that protein in. I am only six weeks post sleeve and find it really hard to eat enough to get 60g protein, let alone 130!
 
Karlos said:
You're welcome Louanne. I know I'm like a broken record (For the youngsters here records were like big CDs that were played on record players :D.....No wait I'll bet some of you have never seen a CD either just an MP3 file icon :D:D) but it really is vital that we make the most of the honeymoon or golden period that is over so quickly. Because the weight drops off for most of us fairly easily at first (Look at Gary's really decent weight loss with as he admits a fairly poor exercise regime, he'll see real results if he can get this trainer working with him provided he does his bit) we slip into a comfort zone and rely on the reduced intake and malabsorption to do the work instead of maximising it with exercise.

I've seen some fantastic results from some people, results that make mine look really average, but these people worked their arses off to get to where they wanted to be. Normal wasn't enough for these people they wanted to be better than "normal". I don't often see goal reached and maintained by people who don't work out. It is a two front battle we face if we are to be the best we can be.

I work away from home quite a bit and its tough to eat well when away from the home, its too easy to accept that we have no choice but to eat crappy stuff. Let's face it crappy stuff tastes chuffin great LOL and its hard for us former fatties to employ restraint as we've had years of throwing the worst stuff possible down our necks LOL

I always tried to stay at a hotel with a gym, but it was easier for me as I was alone for most of the time, its harder for you staying away with others so good luck xxx

Thanks Karl. I've tried to be as good as I can with food, but have already started to feel sluggish, so much so that yesterday, I let them go off to the pub and I went to Waitrose and bought a packet of lean chicken pieces, fruit and bottled water to have in my room.
Next week I've booked room only (means I'll just grab a banana or other fruit rather than be tempted) at a hotel with a spa, gym and pool. Let them think I'm unsociable - I have to get my backside in gear and put me first. Worrying about others got me to the state I was in in the first place!
Thanks again.
 
Ladies do lose weight more slowly and tend to have more stalls than us guys. Their fat deposits are distributed differently and they carry a higher percentage of essential fat anyway, its a girl thing :D:D God hates them :D:D.

You really are ace, Karlos! :D :D

I thought it was also because men have a naturally higher percentage lean body mass and more muscle in their bodies, which therefore burns fat off quicker.

I've seen probably the most switched on WLS patient ever who started making SF sweets and cakes, she called them protein cakes and for a while laughed at me for refusing to eat them. However after a while when she had failed to reach goal then to her horror realised she was regaining ......

I enjoy reading your very sharp critiques and advice, Karlos. Although I am pre-op and not the most regular poster on here, I do read even when I don't always have the time to respond.

I have also seen on a number of forums and groups that I take part in, many post-op people talking about making "sugar free" cake / brownies / trifle / various treats etc etc ..... and it does my head in (even pre-op!) as I look at their newly loaded favourite recipe and think "Isn't it bleedin obvious it was eating sweets and cakes and things that got us this size in the first place, and those sorts of foods should no longer be part of our post-op diet?"

However most of the time I am too polite to say so, and just skip past the sweet treat recipe things that people post.
 
i sometimes wonder why people had the op then try to eat the same kind of things (ok sugar free etc ) that made them need the op in the first place :) a cake is a cake and chips are chips and choc etc i think i do my best to have 6 sml meals a day to get my protein in and can't fit anything else in i do still have to tell myself it's no good eating crisps etc ( not a sweet tooth )but i want to live longer and never be in the position i was in before the op :)
 
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