to booze or not to booze?

[phatgirl]

This a support forum where people come to find & share info which is a terrific thing! However, please remember when asking and giving advice that each surgeon/hospital/surgical group may give conflicting advice to what you were told. Each person should follow their own team's advice, their professional team has their medical welfare at heart.

That said, it is neither helpful or supportive to tell someone else that they don't take their weight loss journey seriously. You can't presume to know someone else's intentions or the medical advice they have been given. I personally and most likely anyone who has had Dr. Ammori (correct me if I am wrong) was never told to avoid alcohol, only to be mindful of how often & how much I consume for the reasons I already listed in my last post. I have had a few drinks post-op and I know for certain that I take my weight loss very seriously - I have lost over 9stone in 10 months and currently have a healthy BMI!

So the debate may rage on with 'should you or shouldn't you drink alcohol' but please no more judging of others who have followed their professional advice and exercised moderation and mindfulness. A lifetime is a long time to avoid something you like, but a year isn't really if you have been advised to wait. In the end it is up to you how you proceed.

Nic

 

[Boblatina]

This a support forum where people come to find & share info which is a terrific thing! However, please remember when asking and giving advice that each surgeon/hospital/surgical group may give conflicting advice to what you were told. Each person should follow their own team's advice, their professional team has their medical welfare at heart.

That said, it is neither helpful or supportive to tell someone else that they don't take their weight loss journey seriously. You can't presume to know someone else's intentions or the medical advice they have been given. I personally and most likely anyone who has had Dr. Ammori (correct me if I am wrong) was never told to avoid alcohol, only to be mindful of how often & how much I consume for the reasons I already listed in my last post. I have had a few drinks post-op and I know for certain that I take my weight loss very seriously - I have lost over 9stone in 10 months and currently have a healthy BMI!

So the debate may rage on with 'should you or shouldn't you drink alcohol' but please no more judging of others who have followed their professional advice and exercised moderation and mindfulness. A lifetime is a long time to avoid something you like, but a year isn't really if you have been advised to wait. In the end it is up to you how you proceed.

Nic

Brilliant post Nic.

Thanks

TillyBob

 

[Bacchus]

I knew that this subject would be controversial, its clearly split to those who do and don't . Thank you for being so honest (Teen Phatgirl), moderation is the key. I will not go out and have 10 pints but when I am ready I may have a glass of wine or a Shandy.

 

[indianlight]

This a support forum where people come to find & share info which is a terrific thing! However, please remember when asking and giving advice that each surgeon/hospital/surgical group may give conflicting advice to what you were told. Each person should follow their own team's advice, their professional team has their medical welfare at heart.

That said, it is neither helpful or supportive to tell someone else that they don't take their weight loss journey seriously. You can't presume to know someone else's intentions or the medical advice they have been given. I personally and most likely anyone who has had Dr. Ammori (correct me if I am wrong) was never told to avoid alcohol, only to be mindful of how often & how much I consume for the reasons I already listed in my last post. I have had a few drinks post-op and I know for certain that I take my weight loss very seriously - I have lost over 9stone in 10 months and currently have a healthy BMI!

So the debate may rage on with 'should you or shouldn't you drink alcohol' but please no more judging of others who have followed their professional advice and exercised moderation and mindfulness. A lifetime is a long time to avoid something you like, but a year isn't really if you have been advised to wait. In the end it is up to you how you proceed.

Nic

I couldn't have said it better!!

I was reading this thread with interest, I love to hear the differing advice people are given by their surgeons.
However, what upset me a little is yet again the implication that if you have your surgery FREE by NHS(a service I have paid for all my adult life), then you are somehow:
going to fail, not interested in losing weight, or somehow less motivated than someone who has paid for their surgery.

I am NOT trying to upset anyone here or to cause any contoversy but I do feel as someone who has had WLS on NHS twice (3 ops in total) that maybe I should ahve my say...

I didn't write a cheque for my surgery but I have paid dearly over the years, as a NHS patient I endured years of humiliation discussing my weight, I had to go through many barriers before NHS agreed to WLS, I have since gone through a lot of pain and heartache cos of WLS and have like many others had to endure the mental torture of a waiting list. I could have wrote a cheque, but why should I've paid for NHS for years and this is something i'm entitled to. I won't criticise people for paying, many of my friends have paid privately but what I will ask is please do not assume cos you have wrote that cheque that you are somehow more committed, in my experience you have a much easier ride of it....x

 

[Sambucca]

I couldn't have said it better!!

I was reading this thread with interest, I love to hear the differing advice people are given by their surgeons.
However, what upset me a little is yet again the implication that if you have your surgery FREE by NHS(a service I have paid for all my adult life), then you are somehow:
going to fail, not interested in losing weight, or somehow less motivated than someone who has paid for their surgery.

I am NOT trying to upset anyone here or to cause any contoversy but I do feel as someone who has had WLS on NHS twice (3 ops in total) that maybe I should ahve my say...

I didn't write a cheque for my surgery but I have paid dearly over the years, as a NHS patient I endured years of humiliation discussing my weight, I had to go through many barriers before NHS agreed to WLS, I have since gone through a lot of pain and heartache cos of WLS and have like many others had to endure the mental torture of a waiting list. I could have wrote a cheque, but why should I've paid for NHS for years and this is something i'm entitled to. I won't criticise people for paying, many of my friends have paid privately but what I will ask is please do not assume cos you have wrote that cheque that you are somehow more committed, in my experience you have a much easier ride of it....x

fab post and I whole heartedly agree. I too am getting fed up of reading judgemental posts about NHS patients.

With regards to the alcohol debate.... as a Walsall Manor Patient, I too am advised to wait a year before I try alcohol. In the same way that I am advised to spend a whole month on liquids and then a whole month on puree before progressing to "proper" food. In my opinion Walsall Manor err very much on the side of caution. Other surgeons advocate leaving hospital on pureed food, or alcohol in moderation as soon as you are ready.

I think as long as you are not abusing your WLS or your own bodyI cant see the problem. You should of course take heed of the surgeons advice, but I do feel that a whole year off alcohol (and I rarely drink myself) is too long to abstain.

This absolutely does not mean that I intend to waste the opportunity I have been given or that I do not take WLS seriously. I want to get as healthy as possible, as quickly as possible, but do not intend to live like a nun for the next year.

 

[bungle1999]

I am gonna add to he NHS/private comments that keep cropping up on threads.
I think it terrible personally on a SUPPORT forum that there are judgements made. I was NHS and am more committed to my weight loss than anything (other than my kids) else I have ever done. Lets get rid of this hierachy, it is doing no one any good. PLEASE.

Feel better for that!!! LOL

 

[fairyringuk]

Not being a drinker I wouldnt have that problem but like some of the others would be worried about calories, and going against surgeons advice. There are people who have problems with alcohol after surgery(weight loss) so that is probably why they err on the side of caution.

Jay xx

 

[archiesmum]

I don't think it really matters whether your NHS or private. I would have loved to be a NHS patient but it just wouldn't have happened. I'm not sure about the commitment issue re NHSD vs private. I think that commitment to losing weight is very individual regardless of how wls is achieved. We are all on here because we want/have had wls so must have had a weight problem to start with no? Can only agree that it is probably best to follow your teams advice.

 

[BypassBee]

I was given no time scale, I spoke to my dietician at about 2 and a half months out and she said it was fine in moderation, it should do no damage.
So now I drink when I feel like it, I have had one night out which was over the top and learnt my lesson (vrry very dehydrated, lots a lot of weight fast, put it on and lost it all again plus 1lb in a week... Hard work!)


Just remember it is empty cals, so don't do it then spend ages regreting it, see it as a treat, not as something to do each week

X

 

[Red 42]

at the end of the day, we're all adults and it's up to us as individuals to either take our surgeons advice or not as the case may be. there's no one stood over us with a big stick to beat us with if we decide to go against that advice (unless of course you have a scary dietician ) moderation and being sensible is the way to go...that's just my opinion

I wasn't an NHS patient, but have to admit that due to extremely poor aftercare from my wls provider am so glad that the Doctors, Nurses and even the dietician (I have to see her as I'm diet control diabetic) at my GP surgery have been amazing and supportive. They are well aware of the lack of aftercare I receive, but not once have they turned me away and said I should go back to where I had my wls and was really lucky that the dietician I saw at the diabetic clinic yesterday had spent time on a bariatric unit...she was brilliant

I for one will be looking to see if I can get help with aftercare & fills on the NHS once my year of 'private aftercare ' is finished.

we all need support no matter which way we have our surgery financed....so lets keep helping each other, not scrapping

 

[phatmomma]

I think were all missing the one word that we all as or used to be fat people are not very good at using... MODERATION. Everything in moderation is okay, but if i did stuff in moderation i probably wouldnt be the size i am now...

Love n kisses n hugs to you all xx

 

[Snowcrystal]

We do have to remember though that even though we don't agree with another person, everyone has their own opinion...that said (and I'm not taking sides) this forum is for support and advice and on occasion 'debate'...but debate with respect...

I would imagine that the advice of abstinence of alcohol for any given period would not only be because of the affect it has on you physically but also taking on board the possibility of addiction transference...

There are people on Mini's who I have enormous respect for, who undoubtedly have taken their WLS very seriously and the proof is their results...they can be your mentor but cannot replace your surgical team...it's a bit like making your warranty null and void when your Miele washing machine goes wrong and you get Hotpoint to fix it...lol

Interesting subject though!

(((hugs)))

 

[thinkbethin]

I knew that this subject would be controversial, its clearly split to those who do and don't . Thank you for being so honest (Teen Phatgirl), moderation is the key. I will not go out and have 10 pints but when I am ready I may have a glass of wine or a Shandy.

Good for you, a little of what you fancy does you good. I don't like the taste and I hate hangovers hence the reason I don't drink but I'd never begrudge anyone else having onex

 

[thinkbethin]

This a support forum where people come to find & share info which is a terrific thing! However, please remember when asking and giving advice that each surgeon/hospital/surgical group may give conflicting advice to what you were told. Each person should follow their own team's advice, their professional team has their medical welfare at heart.

That said, it is neither helpful or supportive to tell someone else that they don't take their weight loss journey seriously. You can't presume to know someone else's intentions or the medical advice they have been given. I personally and most likely anyone who has had Dr. Ammori (correct me if I am wrong) was never told to avoid alcohol, only to be mindful of how often & how much I consume for the reasons I already listed in my last post. I have had a few drinks post-op and I know for certain that I take my weight loss very seriously - I have lost over 9stone in 10 months and currently have a healthy BMI!

So the debate may rage on with 'should you or shouldn't you drink alcohol' but please no more judging of others who have followed their professional advice and exercised moderation and mindfulness. A lifetime is a long time to avoid something you like, but a year isn't really if you have been advised to wait. In the end it is up to you how you proceed.

Nic

As always Nic you know what to say lol. I tried repping you but it seems I've got to spread some love lolxx

 

[Silversurfer]

HI, if you have been told to avoid alcohol for one year then that is what you should do, if several bypassers are drinking in the 1st year then they abviously aren't too bothered whether they are successful or not at their weightloss, its up to each individual but why would you want to go against your surgeons advice???

Sorry this is a completely wrong statement, i do drink in moderation from time to time and i do take my weight loss very seriously and so far have been very successful with my loss.
My consultant never advised me not to drink, but to drink in moderation, as an adult its entirely my decision and choice to drink alcohol or not !

 

[Silversurfer]

I couldn't have said it better!!

I was reading this thread with interest, I love to hear the differing advice people are given by their surgeons.
However, what upset me a little is yet again the implication that if you have your surgery FREE by NHS(a service I have paid for all my adult life), then you are somehow:
going to fail, not interested in losing weight, or somehow less motivated than someone who has paid for their surgery.

I am NOT trying to upset anyone here or to cause any contoversy but I do feel as someone who has had WLS on NHS twice (3 ops in total) that maybe I should ahve my say...

I didn't write a cheque for my surgery but I have paid dearly over the years, as a NHS patient I endured years of humiliation discussing my weight, I had to go through many barriers before NHS agreed to WLS, I have since gone through a lot of pain and heartache cos of WLS and have like many others had to endure the mental torture of a waiting list. I could have wrote a cheque, but why should I've paid for NHS for years and this is something i'm entitled to. I won't criticise people for paying, many of my friends have paid privately but what I will ask is please do not assume cos you have wrote that cheque that you are somehow more committed, in my experience you have a much easier ride of it....x

Good for you, i guess it must make you feel better knowing you've got your money back !