what cost savings are made buy the NHS if I am given WLS

[gingernutter]

what cost savings are made buy the NHS if I am given WLS. I want to give the PCT some facts and figures. I know I deserve this surgery but I need something else that they can consider. Money talks with the PCT. So can anyone give me some facts and figures to throw at them.

 

[actionfish]

I can't be specific, but by giving me WLS my chances of becoming diabetic, like my father, are greatly reduced. Dad is in a wheelchair and is partially sighted, all because of his diabetes, he has to go to the foot clinic fortnightly, which means an ambulance ride there and back, has had laser surgery on both eyes several times, not to mention the cupboard filled with pills and potions, the district nurse having to visit everyday for a couple of years to redress his foot.

Avoiding any sort of long term health problem with this operation will save the NHS much more than they are spending, and they even told me that the operation 'pays for itself' in many ways.

 

[shelbell]

Hi Sarah,

Answered this to a degree on your other thread

 

[charliegirl]

That's the way I would of gone if I had had to continue fighting sarah, your doing great chick...xx

 

[ditzyangeluk]

I don't have actual figures but do have a list of Co Morbidities in respect of Weight Loss Surgery which may help in some way (could prob find the stats with a web search if needed - as well as some explanations of what some of them actually are! )...

1. Diabetes
2. Neuropathy
3. Hypertension
4. Family history of heart attacks or heart disease, stroke, diabetes, heart attacks
5. Thickened heart walls due to excessive weight & hypertension
6. Intracranial hypertension (psudeotumor cerebra)
7. Migraines/Headaches directly related to obesity/cranial hypertension
8. Bells Palsy
9. Cardiac Arrhythmias
10. Ocular Hypertension
11. High Cholesterol (hypercholesteralemia)
12. Elevated Triglycerides
13. Hypothyroidism
14. Excess Testosterone
15. Excess Facial & Body Hair (Hirsutism)
16. Acne
17. Rashes
18. Chronic Skin Infections
19. Excess Sweating
20. Frequent yeast infections
21. Hormonal Abnormalities
22. Infertility
23. Polycystic Ovaries
24. Dysfunctional uterine bleeding
25. Amenorrhea related to obesity
26. Incontinence related to obesity
27. Lower Back Pain and muscle spasms
28. Ankle/knees swelling
29. Asthma or Shortness of breath upon exertion
30. Decreased Exercise Tolerance
31. Hip & joint
32. Sleep apnoea & heavy snoring
33. Acid Reflux
34. Chronic Fatigue
35. Fluid retention
36. Gall Bladder removal due to weight and dieting
37. Activity Intolerance; shortness of breath and severe fatigue even with minimal activity
38. Decreased endurance limiting daily activities, including but not limited to; walking, housework, working, dressing, standing, getting up, bathing, sitting, travel
39. Frequent constipation alternating with frequent diarrhoea
40. Stress incontinence
41. Fibrocystic breast disease
42. Abdominal gas and frequent nausea
43. Haemorrhoids
44. History of colon polyps
45. Varicose Veins

to psychological issues

1. Lack of Self Esteem
2. Social Rejection
3. Loss of Job Potential
4. Inappropriate Coping Strategies
5. Anxiety
6. Severe Depression due to weight, inability to exercise
7. Depression related to difficulty coping with frequent failures at diet attempts

Hopefully you can get something from that list & it helps!

 

[charliegirl]

That is a great list, its amazing how many things are listed that we would probably never relate to being over weight. It has to be cost effective to give people this op....xx

 

[gingernutter]

Thanks to everyone who have posted on this question. I need to get my big guns out as I am putting another letter too the PCT for my next appeal. I have gathered loads of valuable infomation from the kind members on this forum. I can not thank all you enough. Without you guys I would not have the strenth to carry on.

Dit thank you so much for this list. I am sure it will help other people too. Why dont you post it on another thread as people who are facing their PCT can use it. I was surprised and stunned at how many I personally ticked off on that list. Thanks!

have actual figures but do have a list of Co Morbidities in respect of Weight Loss Surgery which may help in some way (could prob find the stats with a web search if needed - as well as some explanations of what some of them actually are! )...

1. Diabetes
2. Neuropathy
3. Hypertension
4. Family history of heart attacks or heart disease, stroke, diabetes, heart attacks
5. Thickened heart walls due to excessive weight & hypertension
6. Intracranial hypertension (psudeotumor cerebra)
7. Migraines/Headaches directly related to obesity/cranial hypertension
8. Bells Palsy
9. Cardiac Arrhythmias
10. Ocular Hypertension
11. High Cholesterol (hypercholesteralemia)
12. Elevated Triglycerides
13. Hypothyroidism
14. Excess Testosterone
15. Excess Facial & Body Hair (Hirsutism)
16. Acne
17. Rashes
18. Chronic Skin Infections
19. Excess Sweating
20. Frequent yeast infections
21. Hormonal Abnormalities
22. Infertility
23. Polycystic Ovaries
24. Dysfunctional uterine bleeding
25. Amenorrhea related to obesity
26. Incontinence related to obesity
27. Lower Back Pain and muscle spasms
28. Ankle/knees swelling
29. Asthma or Shortness of breath upon exertion
30. Decreased Exercise Tolerance
31. Hip & joint
32. Sleep apnoea & heavy snoring
33. Acid Reflux
34. Chronic Fatigue
35. Fluid retention
36. Gall Bladder removal due to weight and dieting
37. Activity Intolerance; shortness of breath and severe fatigue even with minimal activity
38. Decreased endurance limiting daily activities, including but not limited to; walking, housework, working, dressing, standing, getting up, bathing, sitting, travel
39. Frequent constipation alternating with frequent diarrhoea
40. Stress incontinence
41. Fibrocystic breast disease
42. Abdominal gas and frequent nausea
43. Haemorrhoids
44. History of colon polyps
45. Varicose Veins

to psychological issues

1. Lack of Self Esteem
2. Social Rejection
3. Loss of Job Potential
4. Inappropriate Coping Strategies
5. Anxiety
6. Severe Depression due to weight, inability to exercise
7. Depression related to difficulty coping with frequent failures at diet attempts

Hopefully you can get something from that list & it helps!

 

[gingernutter]

I am on blood pressure med, plus cholesterol med and aspirin. my dad died from a heart failure on his death cert it stated he died from heart complications related to his diabetes. My brother died in August aged 49 from a sudden heart attack. My grandmother has diabetes, my mother has heart and lung disease. Why can't the PCT see!!! I have told the PCT this info but it still didn't work.

I have moved this from the another post. It is clear I will cost the NHS loads of money and maybe this can be avoided.

Shel said. OK doke lets look at this. If you have type 2 diabetes, and take 500mg Metformin 3 times a day, the annual cost of this to the NHS for scripts alone would be £27.78. So if we look at 40 years costings, that would be £1111.20 (although obesity related diabetes worsens over time so would be higher as would need a higher dose).

Blood pressure. Say you're on 20mg daily Enalapril. Thats £66.56 per year, or £2662.40 over 40 years.

Thats why I was asking about medication one way to get some good stats.

My net question for you all is....how best can I word these details to the PCT with out making it 10 pages long. Can any one help with this. thanks

 

[shelbell]

Sarah, pm me a list of your meds names and daily doses, I'll cost them up for you and help with the letter

 

[ditzyangeluk]

...Dit thank you so much for this list. I am sure it will help other people too. Why dont you post it on another thread as people who are facing their PCT can use it...

Thanx Sarah, have posted on a separate thread with this list

 

[helen144]

Pals may be able to help you, if you get in touch with them as wellxx