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Wow that's quite scary! I'm not really a drinker - used to like it but went off it after having my last child.. Maybe it's psychological as the early mornings with a hangover just doesn't rub. I However I can see the drink being quite attractive after the enjoyment of food has been removed. I managed to stop smoking 5yrs ago and stay stopped but the craving is always there.... So thanks for the warning I will definitely keep my wits about me. I X

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Addiction transfer is a very real danger and something we should all be aware of.

Thanks Linda and CCPM for being so honest.

I really hope things work out for you Linda and you can crack this xx
 
I read this article a few days ago that disputes the theory of transfer addiction to alcohol. I have copied and pasted it in case you are interested in reading it.


At the Minimally Invasive Surgery Symposium (MISS) 2012, Dr. John Morton, Director of Bariatric Surgery at Stanford, gave a presentation on his research about alcohol metabolism and addiction following weight loss surgery. His research was in response to some recent headlines about the possibility of addiction transfer after surgery. One of the headlines that he pointed out was “Trading Twinkies for Tequila”, published several years ago, about a young woman who after receiving a gastric bypass, said that she began binging on alcohol to feel the familiar buzz of food-binging. Morton’s research group set out to first determine if there are changes in alcohol metabolism following surgery, and also determine if there is potential for addiction-transfer; that is, if as described by the woman in the story, binge eating can shift to alcohol abuse after surgery. Morton’s first study, conducted a few years ago, addressed the issue of alcohol metabolism following weight loss surgery. The study looked at 19 patients who had received a Roux-en Y gastric bypass (RYGB) and 17 control patients, matched for factors such as age and BMI. Alcohol metabolism tests were performed on the patients before their RYGB operation and then measured again at three and six months post-operation. Patients also reported the symptoms that they experienced when drinking and completed a questionnaire about their drinking habits. The participants were given 5 ounces of red wine and then tested with a breathalyzer every 5 minutes until their blood alcohol content (BAC) reached zero. The peak for gastric bypass group was .08, while the control was .05. The results showed that a single glass of wine was enough for the weight loss surgery patients to reach the legal driving limit of .08 percent. The time it took for the participants’ BAC to reach zero was 108 minutes for the surgery group and 72 minutes for the control group. He concluded that for the surgery patients, their BAC peaked higher and took longer to return to zero, but there were no difference in reported symptoms of between the two groups. Additional research found that when looking at the same patient at three stages: pre-op, 3 months post-op, and 6 months post-op, their peak blood alcohol level went from 0.02 to 0.09 from the same amount of alcohol. The average pre-op alcohol metabolism was 49 minutes to BAC of zero. Post-op, alcohol metabolism took significantly longer. Six months post-op was more dramatic than 3 months, so the trends continued as time went on. Some intoxication symptoms changed, but some did not. Most patients had some different symptoms of intoxication after surgery, so they were able to be taught to be aware of those, and better recognize the effect alcohol was having.
Next, Dr. Morton talked about his study designed to examine the issue of addiction transfer after bariatric surgery. The study included patients who were surveyed both before and after weight loss surgery. He found that their drinking habits changed significantly: they consumed fewer drinks at one time after surgery, and also reported drinking fewer times per week. Their alcohol preference didn’t change in terms of beer vs. wine vs. hard alcohol. Additionally, Dr. Morton found that 40 percent fewer patients drank at all post-operation. The researchers found that whether a person was a drinker or not did not seem to affect the amount of weight lost after bariatric surgery.
The final study that Dr. Morton presented about looked at 121 post-op patients and found that there was no statistically significant difference in alcohol abuse. There was actually less post-op alcohol abuse reported (from 21 percent to 17 percent). The end result and key finding was that the studies did not find evidence for post-operative addiction transfer to alcohol abuse.
Also of note, Morton conducted a similar longitudinal (pre-op, 3-month and 6-month post-op) study with gastric band and gastric sleeve patients, and, in contrast to the gastric bypass patients, changes in their alcohol metabolism were not seen, in terms of higher peak and longer to BAC of zero. Dr. Morton concluded his presentation by explaining that he warns patients to be careful of behaviors associated with alcohol like being more relaxed, letting guard down, and being around friends who are likely eating.
 
I read this article a few days ago that disputes the theory of transfer addiction to alcohol. I have copied and pasted it in case you are interested in reading it.

Great reading and very interesting. Thank you Marie.
It's well worth reading through carefully.


The participants were given 5 ounces of red wine and then tested with a breathalyzer every 5 minutes until their blood alcohol content (BAC) reached zero. ........... The results showed that a single glass of wine was enough for the weight loss surgery patients to reach the legal driving limit of .08 percent.

Now that's just plain scary! The fact that so little alcohol in the early days can put us over the limit - therefore a danger on the roads is something we should be warned about in no uncertain terms don't you think. Now I've got to go and find 5oz of wines equivalent in bottled beer!

The researchers found that whether a person was a drinker or not did not seem to affect the amount of weight lost after bariatric surgery.

That's very reassuring to those occasionally wanting to walk down to the Pub for a bit of socialising and to watch a bit of football. ................Like a 3-0 win against Everton last night!.:rolleyes:

.........he warns patients to be careful of behaviors associated with alcohol like being more relaxed, letting guard down, and being around friends who are likely eating.

To paraphrase John Cleese...Isn't that stating the bleedin' obvious :D ....for all 'risky behaviours'

So for a very occasional drinker who likes to stroll down the Pub once a fortnight for a few bottles of Budwieser ET AL, the biggest danger seems to be nicking a couple of Karls cheese and onion crisps while hes at the bar!

Speaking for myself of course, I think that's a green light from Doc Martin to keep calm and stroll down the Pub now and again.

Thanks again M. Great find.
 
I go out and have a drink not every weekend, and its empty cals but need a bit of a life, have worked hard to get here and love socialising now, I get drunk quick as don't eat a lot to soak up the drink! Now and again won't hurt you x
 
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