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Symptoms of Malabsorbsion

Paul-H

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Hi guys

Anyone know what the common symptoms of malabsorbsion are.

I am just over 7 months post bypass and have had some fantastic weightloss, and only about half a stone from target already, but over the last month or so I have been feeling weaker and weaker, I am also getting some horrendous hot flushes, does this sound like malabsorbsion.

Thanks for any help with these symptoms.

Paul
 
I am just over a year post op and I HAVE BEEN THROUGH SOME HORRENDOUS HOT FLUSHES, usually when I have had something with too much sugar in, orange juice did it to me the other night. I have recently been through a patch where they have calmed down till the oj incident, hadn't had a small glass for a while just the odd sip of it. What suits us one time doesn't always suit us the next just trial n error, sorry if thats not much help x
 
I am only 10 weeks out of surgery, but didn't think I dumped or anything, but chrisa just said about hot flushes, and I have been getting them quite a lot just recently... I actually thought it was something to do with menopause, but maybe its not, maybe its due to the bypass... I think if you are worried about malabsorption, then ask for a full blood count to see if you are deficient in anything and that would give you a better idea if all is okay or not.. xx
 
Paul-H said:
Hi guys

Anyone know what the common symptoms of malabsorbsion are.

I am just over 7 months post bypass and have had some fantastic weightloss, and only about half a stone from target already, but over the last month or so I have been feeling weaker and weaker, I am also getting some horrendous hot flushes, does this sound like malabsorbsion.

Thanks for any help with these symptoms.

Paul

I didn't get hot flushes with my deficiencies, if anything I was constantly cold. It also takes about two years for certain deficiencies to show. I feel it's highly unlikely to be malabsorption especially if you're taking all your supplements.

Anna

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Ask your Dr for a blood test to check out all your levels. I'm having a follow up app. next week after my blood test and I wouldn't be suprised if I need a B12 jab by now a year out as I get very tired and lethargic a lot of the time and although I do suffer from bouts of depression I wonder if it is a lack of this vital element missing from my body. Never hurts to get it checked out does it.

Kate x
 
Im 2 years post op,
The only time I get hot flushes is when I've dumped on something.
Feeling cold is what I suffer from now!
 
Oh I sympathise with the feeling cold emma louise.. I am just 10 weeks out and just cannot get warm.. I am not looking forward to this winter at all.. I have paid a fortune for a heated electric duvet, and even though it's only October, I have it on through the night to stay warm in bed.. I think the feeling cold has something to do with the fact that we just don't consume enough calories after a bypass to generate enough body heat... xx
 
I love my bypass - i have gone the other way!! Used to be freezing, now am more normal :) We still don't have the heating on!!
 
Its strange how all the providers are so different, I have already had two b12 injections since my op on 26th June.
I am also freezing particularly in bed.
I would be interested in symptoms of malabsorbtion (beyond losing weight that is!!
 
Hi guys

Thanks for all the replies.

I had a full blood work up 2 months ago and every thing was spot on so all I needed to do was just. Take my multi vit which I have done. The hot flushes may actualty turn out to have been too much morphine, I was on the same dose I had been on at 24 stone and no one thought to check that I might need less now that I am 14 stone ish, so once that was cut down the hot flushes have more or less gone. Still very week though with no energy and still getting light headed if I stand up to quick, I am also off all blood pressure meds as it was dropping too much and giving me the same light head feeling, but I have checked it when I get the attacks and its always fine at about 120/80.

I have been in touch with St Richards and they are sending an appointment for me to see them soon, so hopefully they will get to the bottom of it.

I have just had another full blood work up and I am awaiting the results.

It is possible that its just down to loosing too much weight too quickly, 7 stones in 7 months so I might have lost too much muscle as well as fat, my legs are like bits of string with knots in them for knees, before surgery I had very strong muscles on my legs with very little fat, so it's gone some where.

Oh and yes I am always cold now as well, they never said anything about that at my appointments before surgery, but apparently it's quite normal, so that's why thin people always looked miserable, they are always cold

Thanks again for all the help, I will post back if I get to the bottom of this.

Paul
 
Re the hot flushes I did wonder if it might have been dumping related, I am normally very good at avoiding too much surgery, being an ex diabetic, but they do hide the stuff in the stranges of places, tinned peas for example.

I will be much more vigilant an see if it improves or returns if I get it wrong.

Thanks again

Paul
 
The main symptoms of malabsorption are bloating, cramps and very bad wind, muscle wasting weight loss (??!!!), and - no really polite way to put this other than "poo issues" - bulky stools, chronic diarrhoea and steatorrhea (really fatty, greasy, very difficult to flush away and drops of oil left floating in the pan)
Problem is these symptoms can be attributed to many other gut issues. I think it was the steatorrhea and a couple of "incontinence incidents" that were the give away for me. After a couple of doses of Creon (pancreatic enzyme) this stopped, I've been on it ever since, and normality has thankfully resumed. No more bloats, cramps, accidents, wind (well, no more than anyone else!) and cleaning the loo being a military operation!
Hope you get sorted soon.
 
googled this for you hope it helps:

Malabsorption - failure to get the goodness from food

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The job of the gut is to absorb the goodness from food. To do this, it first has to reduce food particles to a size which allows the digestive enzymes can get at them, then it has to provide the correct acidity for enzymes to work, produce the enzymes,emulsifying agent (bile salts) and move the food along the gut. Finally the large bowel allows growth of bacteria for a final digestive/fermentative process and water extraction.
The gut has a particularly difficult job because it has to identify foods that are safe from potentially dangerous microbes (most are not dangerous but positively beneficial). This explains why 90% of the immune system is gut associated. The innoculation of the gut with the good microbes takes place in the gut in the first few minutes following birth - see Probiotics
Anything which goes wrong with any of these processes can cause malabsorption. Malabsorption means that the body does not get the raw materials for normal everyday work and repair. This means there is the potential for lots of things to go wrong when there is malabsorption.
Malabsorption can occur for the following reasons:


  • Failure to chew foods properly.
Gandhi said we should chew our liquids and drink our foods! It is essential to break foods down into small particles to allow quick and efficient digestion of them. Saliva contains amylase which starts the process of carbohydrate digestion. It also contains epithelial growth factor to prevent leaky gut.
  • Not enough acid in the stomach (acid is necessary to start off protein digestion and further digestion of protein takes place in the small intestine) - see Hypochlorhydria.
  • Failure to produce enough digestive enzymes (as in cystic fibrosis) - see Digestive enzymes.
  • Failure to produce enough bile (blocked bile ducts, eventually causes jaundice, poor liver function). See Gall bladder disease and gall stones.
  • Inflammation in the gut caused by gut dysbiosis (i.e. the wrong bugs) or gastroenteritis (temporary bugs in the gut). See Fermentation in the gut and CFS
  • Inflammation in the gut caused by allergy (coeliac disease, multiple food allergy, ulcerative colitis and Crohn's).
  • Food passing through the gut so quickly that there is not time for digestion to take place: drugs; overuse of laxatives; being very nervous; excessive exercise; autonomic neuropathy, thyrotoxicosis.
  • Poisons or toxins in the diet, such as lectins - see Lectins.
  • Blockers
For example, tea drinking causes malabsorption of minerals because tannins in tea bind with minerals to form insoluble tannates which cannot be absorbed. Wheat bran is high in phytic acid, which blocks absorption of minerals. Onne example of this effect can be found in an area in Iran where wheat is a staple part of the inhabitants' diet. As a result they are zinc deficient. Zinc is necessary for growth and many of these people do not achieve their full potential height and remain as dwarfs.
  • Cancer in the gut. This rarely presents with malabsorption, but in its advanced stages it can certainly cause malabsorption.
  • Surgery - where sections of the gut have been removed.
Complications of poor gut function

There are two common complications of poor gut function.

  • Malabsorption of vitamin B12
The first is malabsorption of B12. B12 requires a special carrier protein called "intrinsic factor" to be produced in the stomach. B12 binds on to intrinsic factor and is carried to the gut, where it is absorbed in the last section of the small intestine, the terminal ileum. There is lots of potential for things to go wrong and B12 deficiency is common. The problem is that the normal range for B12 is set so low that many of these cases are not picked up. I like to see blood levels for B12 running at at least 600, and I often recommend injections of B12 in order to get levels up around 2000, where it has other beneficial effects over and above its physiological reactions.
  • Leaky gut syndrome
Another problem of poor gut function is leaky gut syndrome. The problem with leaky gut is that molecules get from the gut into the blood stream before they have been fully digested. These large, antigenically interesting molecules in the bloodstream can activate the immune system leading to allergy or possibly autoimmunity. Furthermore, many of these molecules can mimic the action of hormones in the blood stream and have other profound effects. For example, "leaked" food molecules can mimick the actions of the hormone vasopressin which controls blood pressure, thereby causing profound fluctuation in blood pressure. See the test for Short chain polypeptides Symptoms of malabsorption

Almost any symptom could result from malabsorption, from failure to thrive, weight loss, fatigue, to organ failure.

  • Diarrhoea often reflects the disease process causing the malabsorption.
  • Stools may have undigested fat in them causing large, offensive, pale, greasy stools which float and are therefore difficult to flush away.
  • Blood or excessive mucous in the stool.
  • Wind, gas and bloating as a result of fermentation in the gut.
  • Offensive wind points to a fermenting gut. See Fermentation in the gut and CFS.
Tests of malabsorption

Any or all of these tests may be needed to work out the cause:

  • Faecal fat: measures the level of fat in stools.
  • Pancreatic elastase: an indicator of pancreatic function.
  • Comprehensive digestive stool analysis: CDSA - this looks at digestion and absorption of fats and proteins, gives us an idea of fermentation in the gut, together with microbial content of the gut. It also looks at faecal occult blood and short chain fatty acid profile. As an extra you can ask for faecal calprotectin (which is a good indicator of gut inflammation), faecal elastase (pancreatic function) and bile salts.
  • Short chain polypeptides. This looks at proteins which have leaked from the gut into the blood stream and therefore gives us an indication of leaky gut. I don't do this test very often as it doesn't narrow down a diagnosis very much, but can be useful to help explain otherwise inexplicable symptoms.
  • Vascular endothelial growth factor - Salivary test for hypochlorhydria
Treatment of malabsorption

Ideally this needs to be overseen by an experienced physician, but not many are conversant with all of the above issues.
Identify the cause of the malabsorption by going through the above check list and the tests listed below.
Correct any nutritional deficiencies which may have arisen from years of malabsorption. This would initially be achieved through taking my standard regime of Nutritional Supplements, backed up by nutritional screening tests such as B12 and folic acid, ferritin and calcium levels (this is an indication of vitamin D deficiency, all of which can be easily done by NHS blood testing). If the patient does not feel completely restored by these interventions then one would consider more sophisticated tests of nutritional status such as Antioxidant status, B vitamin profile, fat soluble vitamins including vitamin D and Essential Fatty Acids.
 
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