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Can't lose a runner so early in the race - it looks like dirty dealings at the bookmakers
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Can't lose a runner so early in the race - it looks like dirty dealings at the bookmakers
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TillyBob
shell_1974
Has no patience!!
Lets hope we all get our dates thru soon.....
This time next year, we'll be sat in the gardens with our bikini's on!!!
Good luck everyone. xx
This time next year, we'll be sat in the gardens with our bikini's on!!!
Good luck everyone. xx
crazylady22
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Hi this is correct, you have to apply to the PCT for funding for the op as an exceptional treatment and when this has been approved you should go on the waiting list from the date funding has been approved. You have to be treated within 18 weeks of going on the waiting list.
angelpie
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yes treated means outpatients apps. not the op. lol karen
teapot1966
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Hi,Hi I think its from when your funding has been approved. Gail
I don't think that's right, because i'd have had my surgery really early on then. I've had a moan at the PCT this morning ... they are now looking in to my case because funding was approved back in March (!) and I'm still awaiting (also at St Richards) was told at last appt (with Pysch) that I was down for surgery by 20th August ... ummmm, I'm still awaiting????? I don't think that there is any hard and fast rule here, I think that they are making the rules up as they go along and drawing names out of a hat personally (lol)
Snowcrystal
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Hi All
Just wanted to say that I think every hospital works their own way...
When I asked the registrar if funding had been approved for me yet...she told me that if my surgeon approves my bypass they will just apply for the funding "after" the operation...(my PCT will trust my surgeon if he says my health would be much improved by WLS)...
Saying that, my hospital does work under the 18 week rule once approved for WLS surgery.
We just can't say that one person is right and one person is wrong over this as every hospital and every PCT work there own way.
(((hugs)))
Just wanted to say that I think every hospital works their own way...
When I asked the registrar if funding had been approved for me yet...she told me that if my surgeon approves my bypass they will just apply for the funding "after" the operation...(my PCT will trust my surgeon if he says my health would be much improved by WLS)...
Saying that, my hospital does work under the 18 week rule once approved for WLS surgery.
We just can't say that one person is right and one person is wrong over this as every hospital and every PCT work there own way.
(((hugs)))
teapot1966
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"no it is after psychologist dietician and anethetist. lol karen."
Oooh in that case, I might be done before too long then. I telephoned St Richards today and they said that the latest I'd get 'done' is January, but if its when all the approvals have been received then for me that was early July so I've done 9 weeks on the list, meaning Dday for me should be beginning November.
Somehow, I kind of think its time to throw all caution to the wind, not get bothered by it any more and just let it take its time ...... but it would be a nice present if done far enough before Christmas to enjoy time with my children and not be ill and recovering : )
Oooh in that case, I might be done before too long then. I telephoned St Richards today and they said that the latest I'd get 'done' is January, but if its when all the approvals have been received then for me that was early July so I've done 9 weeks on the list, meaning Dday for me should be beginning November.
Somehow, I kind of think its time to throw all caution to the wind, not get bothered by it any more and just let it take its time ...... but it would be a nice present if done far enough before Christmas to enjoy time with my children and not be ill and recovering : )
CHUCKY
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hi all
I was told by Shaw Sommers himself that the 18 week rule is a feel good ploy made up by government but with no extra money to fund it. So basicly its a load of rubbish and deffo dosent apply to WLs i waited 7 months from seeing surgeon to surgery figre that out!!
I think its pot luck.
I was told by Shaw Sommers himself that the 18 week rule is a feel good ploy made up by government but with no extra money to fund it. So basicly its a load of rubbish and deffo dosent apply to WLs i waited 7 months from seeing surgeon to surgery figre that out!!
I think its pot luck.
mandyl
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lets face it they dont know if they are coming or going.
im very lucky to have a lovely clean good hospital but.... they are overwelmed. i was always the last to be seen on the ward and i sat from 6am ready for theatre only to be told no at 3pm! i was told if medical drs bleep goes off they run ,if surgical drs goes of they carry on till theyve finished. now thats ok but i had to wait in pain on more than one occasin because they have to write up your drugs and fluids.
everytime u ask they tell you different things about the waiting list.
according to some people im not even on the so called active list, but i can tell you its a damn sight better than being on an emergency list, never has ever made me feel like i did last friday. sorry for rant .
im very lucky to have a lovely clean good hospital but.... they are overwelmed. i was always the last to be seen on the ward and i sat from 6am ready for theatre only to be told no at 3pm! i was told if medical drs bleep goes off they run ,if surgical drs goes of they carry on till theyve finished. now thats ok but i had to wait in pain on more than one occasin because they have to write up your drugs and fluids.
everytime u ask they tell you different things about the waiting list.
according to some people im not even on the so called active list, but i can tell you its a damn sight better than being on an emergency list, never has ever made me feel like i did last friday. sorry for rant .
Spikeyjaycee
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teapot1966
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www.18weeks.nhs.uk/Asset.ashx?path=/Presentations/...March09
I jus thought I'd paste this link in regarding the true wording of the 18 week rule.
The way I read it is that :
The surgeon / consultant gets your referral from your GP - the clock starts ticking.
All tests/checks must be carried out within 18 weeks and cannot add extra time to the 'clock' or 'stop' the clock unless you have to go for treatment for something besides the surgery you are waiting for.
The rule applies to elective proceedures as well as emergency proceedures.
However, of course, what has happened is that demand has well outstripped supply and other factors like private work/tv work have been pushed in and thus time scales have well been exceeded.
I jus thought I'd paste this link in regarding the true wording of the 18 week rule.
The way I read it is that :
The surgeon / consultant gets your referral from your GP - the clock starts ticking.
All tests/checks must be carried out within 18 weeks and cannot add extra time to the 'clock' or 'stop' the clock unless you have to go for treatment for something besides the surgery you are waiting for.
The rule applies to elective proceedures as well as emergency proceedures.
However, of course, what has happened is that demand has well outstripped supply and other factors like private work/tv work have been pushed in and thus time scales have well been exceeded.
babyflower
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Thanks for posting this, interesting read, but as Chucky said I would imagine that it is purely a government ploy to look good. the reality of acheiving this in such a specialist field seems unlikely.
Also remember that instead of the 200 referrals they were expecting this past year, they apparantley got nearer 600. Not sure that tv work can get in the way that much (I was in when they did one bypass filming - desperately trying to hide from any possible accidental camera shot! - and it took no longer than a normal bypass - from what the nurses told me).
Most surgeons do private work, but I would imagine they have NHS quotas to work by.
Whilst it is frustrating (I am waiting too), I can't see how they can do it within the 18 weeks, unless NICE raise the guidelines to something much much higher to reduce the number of referrals - personally not keen on that one. In an ideal world the 18 week rule should apply, but I cannot see this happening.
Also remember that instead of the 200 referrals they were expecting this past year, they apparantley got nearer 600. Not sure that tv work can get in the way that much (I was in when they did one bypass filming - desperately trying to hide from any possible accidental camera shot! - and it took no longer than a normal bypass - from what the nurses told me).
Most surgeons do private work, but I would imagine they have NHS quotas to work by.
Whilst it is frustrating (I am waiting too), I can't see how they can do it within the 18 weeks, unless NICE raise the guidelines to something much much higher to reduce the number of referrals - personally not keen on that one. In an ideal world the 18 week rule should apply, but I cannot see this happening.
Spikeyjaycee
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Well if that's the case.......the time from my initial referral to 1st appointment was 9 months - twice the original 18 week rule!
shell_1974
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Fantastic... hopefully i'll be done before christmas by those guide lines!!
Thanks very much for the info. xx
What I am confused about is whether the 18 week rule actually applies to WLS because that is elective.
I know that the 18 week "rule" applies to non-emergency treatment but non-emergency treatment is not the same as elective.
I have to admit that, over the past couple of years, treatment does seem to be quicker(ie initial OP appointments and tests and in one case surgery (cataract surgery). This is, of course, based on a completely non-scientific survey of family and friends. But if the rule at applies to WLS as well as, say, non-emergency hernia treatment or opthalmic surgeon appointments I think most people on here would be outside the time scale.
I was referred by my GP back in December 2008 and my 1st hospital appointment was May 1st so the 18 weeks was well over before I even put a toe over the hospital doorway (I have been saying that it was February I was referred but when I checked my hospital letters I had obviously blanked out 2 whole months ) After tests etc I was seen and placed on the "active surgery" list by my surgeon on July 22nd and she was estimating the time before my surgery as 4-5 month (which roughly fits in with 18 weeks)
I am sure I have read here on on another forum that WLS does not fall within the 18 week scheme but some hospitals (mine included) have 18 weeks as a voluntary figure they work towards once you have jumped through the final hoop of getting the green light from your surgeon.
Does this match what other people have been told or am I imagining things? (Bloody well hope not - I have been gearing myself up to an 18 week date for surgery which would work out as before the 1st week in December :cry
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TillyBob
I know that the 18 week "rule" applies to non-emergency treatment but non-emergency treatment is not the same as elective.
I have to admit that, over the past couple of years, treatment does seem to be quicker(ie initial OP appointments and tests and in one case surgery (cataract surgery). This is, of course, based on a completely non-scientific survey of family and friends. But if the rule at applies to WLS as well as, say, non-emergency hernia treatment or opthalmic surgeon appointments I think most people on here would be outside the time scale.
I was referred by my GP back in December 2008 and my 1st hospital appointment was May 1st so the 18 weeks was well over before I even put a toe over the hospital doorway
(I have been saying that it was February I was referred but when I checked my hospital letters I had obviously blanked out 2 whole months ) After tests etc I was seen and placed on the "active surgery" list by my surgeon on July 22nd and she was estimating the time before my surgery as 4-5 month (which roughly fits in with 18 weeks)I am sure I have read here on on another forum that WLS does not fall within the 18 week scheme but some hospitals (mine included) have 18 weeks as a voluntary figure they work towards once you have jumped through the final hoop of getting the green light from your surgeon.
Does this match what other people have been told or am I imagining things? (Bloody well hope not - I have been gearing myself up to an 18 week date for surgery which would work out as before the 1st week in December :cry
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TillyBob
shell_1974
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Boblatina.... which hospital are you attending??
King's College in London.
I honestly think that trying to get sight of consistent policies for dates etc is always going to be a fool's errand - even with the same hospital. There is another regular poster on here who started with King's on almost the same date and her route has been very different to now. We are being given roughly the same timescales I think.
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teapot1966
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Hi, it was me that posted the bit about the 18 weeks rule. In theory it IS supposed to apply BUT in practice it certainly does NOT apply at St Richards. Some of the London Hospitals seem to be an awful lot quicker and they seem to get patients through the gateway quicker (I know this because I have some friends who have had surgery at the London Hospitals on the NHS, and recently).
What's happening, or seems to be happening at St. R's is that you aren't put on the 'waiting list' until you have had all your consultations with the consultant, psych and dietician .... and then the consultant reviews your info and then puts you on the list ... (this can take forever to get those appointments through) BUT what should be happening is all that plus the surgery should be happening in 18 weeks not you queuing and then joining another queue ... it just is wrong and if you read through the leaflet it does mention elective surgery.
BUT please please don't get your hopes up because of the number of referrals at present things are NOT happening like that (well definitely not at St. R's) but I do think other hospitals are hitting their target times and sticking to the guidelines. You will need to ask your consultant and their team how they work, what their time scales are because we all seem to be given different info depending on which hospital we are being treated at.
I do hope this helps you (and sorry its vague)
Julie
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