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Thanks Mandy. I'm sure I will get there in the end. When the receptionist told me the GP I see was not in till Tuesday, I realised there wasn't much point in getting in a flap over it, so I will just have to be patient and wait for Tuesday to come round. Needless to say Tuesday morning I will be on the phone again asking if the GP has seen my letter.
I did get some literature in the post today from the lady who phoned from the Weight Management place. It's all stuff I basically already know though, so mot really that much help, although I appreciate she meant well.
The thing is, when you are being told to eat food that you really can't stand; how is that meant to help you? I could never eat all bran (it tastes like cardboard) or salads (I've always hated eating plants). Not saying I pig out on cream cakes, but I eat things like museli or toast or a yoghurt for brekkie, a sandwich for lunch and a proper meat and veg dinner. I would fall into a pit of depression if I lived on all bran and salads or so called 'diet shakes'. Then I would pig out on cream cakes !
Anyway, fingers crossed that my GP will say that she will refer me direct to the consultant, and that he will take me on for the bypass. It says on their website that referrals are seen within two weeks, so who knows, maybe in a months time I may hear something.
Fingers crossed.
Gerry
I did get some literature in the post today from the lady who phoned from the Weight Management place. It's all stuff I basically already know though, so mot really that much help, although I appreciate she meant well.
The thing is, when you are being told to eat food that you really can't stand; how is that meant to help you? I could never eat all bran (it tastes like cardboard) or salads (I've always hated eating plants). Not saying I pig out on cream cakes, but I eat things like museli or toast or a yoghurt for brekkie, a sandwich for lunch and a proper meat and veg dinner. I would fall into a pit of depression if I lived on all bran and salads or so called 'diet shakes'. Then I would pig out on cream cakes !
Anyway, fingers crossed that my GP will say that she will refer me direct to the consultant, and that he will take me on for the bypass. It says on their website that referrals are seen within two weeks, so who knows, maybe in a months time I may hear something.
Fingers crossed.
Gerry
mandy-1975
Regular Member
Thanks Mandy. I'm sure I will get there in the end. When the receptionist told me the GP I see was not in till Tuesday, I realised there wasn't much point in getting in a flap over it, so I will just have to be patient and wait for Tuesday to come round. Needless to say Tuesday morning I will be on the phone again asking if the GP has seen my letter.
I did get some literature in the post today from the lady who phoned from the Weight Management place. It's all stuff I basically already know though, so mot really that much help, although I appreciate she meant well.
The thing is, when you are being told to eat food that you really can't stand; how is that meant to help you? I could never eat all bran (it tastes like cardboard) or salads (I've always hated eating plants). Not saying I pig out on cream cakes, but I eat things like museli or toast or a yoghurt for brekkie, a sandwich for lunch and a proper meat and veg dinner. I would fall into a pit of depression if I lived on all bran and salads or so called 'diet shakes'. Then I would pig out on cream cakes !
Anyway, fingers crossed that my GP will say that she will refer me direct to the consultant, and that he will take me on for the bypass. It says on their website that referrals are seen within two weeks, so who knows, maybe in a months time I may hear something.
Fingers crossed.
Gerry
Hi Gerry, good to see you thinking positively...... I know what you mean about the all bran..... i was eating bran flakes the other week, took me till dinner time to try and get them out of my teeth and it was like eating cardboard........
Keeping fingers crossed for you....XXXXXXXXXXX
nessaantonella
New Member
Sorry I've not been around much - been pretty poorly for the past few days
On Friday, I left a message on the answer phone of the Weight Management Coordinator. Well, yesterday afternoon she phoned me. She was ok to chat to, and she did say that if a patient had other health problems, then they usually advised against them doing the weight management course, as the instructors were gym instructors and not medically qualified. Good thinks me. I told her my conditions and then it sounded like she was changing tack and saying that I should go there. Then she said she would call my doctor and explain what it was all about. My first thought was "oh God, she is going to say that I am just someone who doesn't want to help myself and am therefore a prime candidate for it". I openly said to her that the Consultant at Charing Cross had told me to ask the GP to refer me direct to him, and that I would appreciate her not saying anything to my GP that might encourage her to force me onto this weight management course. I told her that if the GP refused to refer me direct, then that would be it, as I would not do this course as it was not right for me, and I had others backing to say so.
I've still not heard from the GP. Phoned today and the letter is on the system but the GP is not in until tomorrow, so she will probably read it then. Hopefully she will just do the referal, but until I hear from her I will be biting my nails over wether this other woman from weight management gets to her first.
Going back for a lay down - still feeling pretty rotten. Will let you know when I hear.
Gerry
Oh Gerry... Sorry I have not been around for a few days and I have missed your birthday (happy belated birthday babe), Ive just been reading your posts to catch up......
I cant belive ow you are being treated by your GP.. It is discracefull and I think negligent..... My heart goes out to you darling.
Ive got everything crossed for you rite now.
Lv Nessa xxxxx
mandy-1975
Regular Member
Hi Gerry, Hows things going have you heard anything....... hope all is ok and you feelign a little better
xxx
xxx
Sorry I've not been around for the past week. Truth is there was nothing to tell until today anyway, and have been rather rushed off my feet. My ex-Mother-in-Law died last Tuesday. Whilst she is no longer any connection to me, she is still my kids Nan, and ex-husband's mother. He was here when he got the phone call. It's been quite a shock to the whole family.
Have made two more calls to the surgery in the past week as I hadn't heard back from the GP, each time leaving a message, each time not getting a call back, so on Thursday (after yet another day with no call back) I phoned and left a message asking if she either wanted to call me or did she want me to make an appointment to see her. She was in today and finally called back (I'd said don't call until after 3.30pm as I was out - she called at lunch time and left a message :sigh.
Basically she has said that the Surrey PCT have very strict rules that you have to follow their guidelines (which means the Weight Management Course :cry. She said I could leave another message with the receptionist if I wanted to. I was not a happy bunny. My (male) friend was here when I listened to the message and heard it with me. I went off and shut myself in the loo and cried. I'm kind of feeling like what is the point. I'm just piggy in the middle now, as the consultant at Charring Cross has said I can just be referred direct to him, and the Manager at the section in the PCT who deal with the funding also said I did not need to attend the Weight management course. Both of them are telling me I don't need to, yet the GP is going by what she has received in the paperwork from the PCT - even though the PCT have told me that I don't need to do the stupid course.
I don't know what to do next. I don't know if the woman from the weight management course did speak to her and tell her I was a prime candidate, or what. I feel like giving up. I don't adapt well to change, can't stand group things, can't travel or attend appointments on my own etc etc. Hubby doesn't have enough holiday to take a day off for 12 weeks on the trot to take me to this group thing that I would not be able to handle anyway. If he done that, then he wouldn't have enough time left if and when I did get the op, to be at home to help me and take me to the appointments for that, so whichever way we go I can't win. I just want to howl and howl.
I also feel a total fool, because I have been telling family and friends that I am going to be having this op, now it doesn't look like I will be able to.
Going private isn't an option as Tax Credits have decided they have overpaid us £3K, and we have to pay that back.
There is no way going private is an option for us now.
Anyway, I will probably go along and see my GP again, to tell her that I am feeling like piggy in the middle, and exactly what the manager at the PCT told me and what the consultant told me, and how I can't get to this course (which has now already started, and which I can't afford, nor could I cope with etc).
If she won't help, I will try seeing my specialist at the hospital about my HMS, and see if he will do me a referral instead. I just wish my GP would listen and understand what I have said.
Sorry to just have a rant, not really feeling up to much else just now.
Gerry
Have made two more calls to the surgery in the past week as I hadn't heard back from the GP, each time leaving a message, each time not getting a call back, so on Thursday (after yet another day with no call back) I phoned and left a message asking if she either wanted to call me or did she want me to make an appointment to see her. She was in today and finally called back (I'd said don't call until after 3.30pm as I was out - she called at lunch time and left a message :sigh
.Basically she has said that the Surrey PCT have very strict rules that you have to follow their guidelines (which means the Weight Management Course :cry
. She said I could leave another message with the receptionist if I wanted to. I was not a happy bunny. My (male) friend was here when I listened to the message and heard it with me. I went off and shut myself in the loo and cried. I'm kind of feeling like what is the point. I'm just piggy in the middle now, as the consultant at Charring Cross has said I can just be referred direct to him, and the Manager at the section in the PCT who deal with the funding also said I did not need to attend the Weight management course. Both of them are telling me I don't need to, yet the GP is going by what she has received in the paperwork from the PCT - even though the PCT have told me that I don't need to do the stupid course. I don't know what to do next. I don't know if the woman from the weight management course did speak to her and tell her I was a prime candidate, or what. I feel like giving up. I don't adapt well to change, can't stand group things, can't travel or attend appointments on my own etc etc. Hubby doesn't have enough holiday to take a day off for 12 weeks on the trot to take me to this group thing that I would not be able to handle anyway. If he done that, then he wouldn't have enough time left if and when I did get the op, to be at home to help me and take me to the appointments for that, so whichever way we go I can't win. I just want to howl and howl.
I also feel a total fool, because I have been telling family and friends that I am going to be having this op, now it doesn't look like I will be able to.
Going private isn't an option as Tax Credits have decided they have overpaid us £3K, and we have to pay that back.
There is no way going private is an option for us now.
Anyway, I will probably go along and see my GP again, to tell her that I am feeling like piggy in the middle, and exactly what the manager at the PCT told me and what the consultant told me, and how I can't get to this course (which has now already started, and which I can't afford, nor could I cope with etc).
If she won't help, I will try seeing my specialist at the hospital about my HMS, and see if he will do me a referral instead. I just wish my GP would listen and understand what I have said.
Sorry to just have a rant, not really feeling up to much else just now.
Gerry
Frosty
New Member
Hi gerry
First thing to do is ask the 2 people who said you dont need to do what the doctor is asking, Get them to write it down and take it to your doctor. Or you can also change your doctor for reason you have lost confidence in him/her.
Weight loss plan wont work if you have been on many many other diet in your life. And you need to also make it clear you dont want to go on drugs.
Although i did go and see someone about a diet , but after the interview i told my doctor there is nothing they can offer that i havent done already.
Dont give up pester the doctor they are a service not gods. Tell him what you want , tell him your have been on diets and they dont work.
Stick it to the man
But before you rought him up try get them letters that show you dont need a diet plan. and all will be well im sure. Just a little more messing about.
I hope it gets sorted
First thing to do is ask the 2 people who said you dont need to do what the doctor is asking, Get them to write it down and take it to your doctor. Or you can also change your doctor for reason you have lost confidence in him/her.
Weight loss plan wont work if you have been on many many other diet in your life. And you need to also make it clear you dont want to go on drugs.
Although i did go and see someone about a diet , but after the interview i told my doctor there is nothing they can offer that i havent done already.
Dont give up pester the doctor they are a service not gods. Tell him what you want , tell him your have been on diets and they dont work.
Stick it to the man
But before you rought him up try get them letters that show you dont need a diet plan. and all will be well im sure. Just a little more messing about.
I hope it gets sorted
Thanks Frosty. Having dwelt on it overnight, I am almost at the point where I truly want to give up. I've done nothing but cry on and off since hearing the GP's message (crying now as I type). All I can think of is that I want to live, but they are just putting impossible hurdles in my way. It's like they are saying "yeah..yeah...you're just another one who wants a quick fix and doesn't want to help yourself".
I know I will never overcome my fear of these organised group things - if I could then I'd have joined every weight loss group going by now. As it is, I've tried following their plans at home on my own but they don't work.
I'm going to phone back the lady at the PCT today and see what she can recommend. Hopefully she will remember me and may be able to suggest something. She was really understanding and helpful when I spoke to her.
Gerry
I know I will never overcome my fear of these organised group things - if I could then I'd have joined every weight loss group going by now. As it is, I've tried following their plans at home on my own but they don't work.
I'm going to phone back the lady at the PCT today and see what she can recommend. Hopefully she will remember me and may be able to suggest something. She was really understanding and helpful when I spoke to her.
Gerry
Frosty
New Member
Thanks Frosty. Having dwelt on it overnight, I am almost at the point where I truly want to give up. I've done nothing but cry on and off since hearing the GP's message (crying now as I type). All I can think of is that I want to live, but they are just putting impossible hurdles in my way. It's like they are saying "yeah..yeah...you're just another one who wants a quick fix and doesn't want to help yourself".
I know I will never overcome my fear of these organised group things - if I could then I'd have joined every weight loss group going by now. As it is, I've tried following their plans at home on my own but they don't work.
I'm going to phone back the lady at the PCT today and see what she can recommend. Hopefully she will remember me and may be able to suggest something. She was really understanding and helpful when I spoke to her.
Gerry
Gerry
I know its hard but dont beat your self up. Speak to the lady and get her advice. Then make an appointment to see your doctor and then laythe facts down.
Make sure he knows the you wanting a bypass IS NOT a easy way out . And that you know the risks of it all and you willing to take them as your life is so low you dont knwo what to do. The doctor only knows as much as you tell him. so lay it on think
Ill tell you something gerry ive not told anyone before. I went through the same thing. but worse my doctor wanted me to have the bypass but i couldnt get the funding.
So what i did ( im not proud ) i looked at it in face value . i was going to die early and leave my wife and kids. so i had to take action. I treid to take my life ( Now im not sure if i did it to get their attention or not . but i called the hospital the moment i relised what i had done, and all was well.
Now relising how serious i was about this operation they couldnt wait to chuck the money at me.
Now NOWAY think like taking your own life its not a option , but mentioning to your doctor how ill you feel and depressed you are is a good thing. you can go as heavy as you like because if you think about it we all are very very depressed more then we let on. And that because we have all delt with being over wieght for most of our life.
But it comes to a point where the cork will pop and we cant take it anymore.
Now all the hassle is over im well and back on track . my doctor is happy that im happy. the NHS funding board are happy really because on the long run i wont cost them as much, with drugs and haert attacks and all the stuff i would get later in life.
Please Please dont ever do or try what i did. It never worth it and im so so so glad i failed and i am where i am today.
Im just a example of how low things can get . and that you can talk about it and not hide the truth . because the truth is the only way you will get what you need.
And thats the bypass
rea dthis link and make sure you know everyting about it. You doctor will be on your side when he knows how seriuos you are and how much you know
Laparoscopic Gastric Bypass Procedure
Gerry your never alone if you have any worries just give me a shout im always about watching . ( the wife says i lurk but dont listen to her
My Very best wishes
Mark
By the ay i dont mine anyone mentioning what i went through im open about it to anyone who knows. as it all in the past and anything in the past i never worry about
Thanks again Mike. :hug99:
I have in the past made attempts on my own life. I have so many illneses and disabilities and it truly does make you depressed. It seems though, that the more you have wrong with you, the more hurdles they want you to jump in order to get anything.
Anyway, I phoned the PCT to try and speak to the woman I spoke to last time. She was on the phone and the chap I spoke to said he would put me through, and asked my name, and when I told him he said he was already on my case and had my notes in front of him (which must mean something is happening, as why would he have my 'case notes' if the GP hasn't sent the form back yet?). Anyway, he asked how he could help and I told him the problem, and he said he would phone the GP and tell her to fill in the form and leave the box blank about the weight loss surgery and send in my two letters with the form. He also said he is pretty sure that I won't have to attend the weight management course. I told him I feel like piggy in the middle, as the Consultant and his colleague and now him, as well as the co-ordinator from the weight management scheme had all told me I wouldn't have to do it, yet the GP seems to think I will. Anyway, he is phoning her and I have to put in a letter to her to give my permission to pass on my letters with the form, then I just have to wait to hear about the funding.
Kind of a bit more promising, but I feel like an emotional yo yo at the moment.
Will report here if I hear anymore.
Thanks for the reply.
Gerry
I have in the past made attempts on my own life. I have so many illneses and disabilities and it truly does make you depressed. It seems though, that the more you have wrong with you, the more hurdles they want you to jump in order to get anything.
Anyway, I phoned the PCT to try and speak to the woman I spoke to last time. She was on the phone and the chap I spoke to said he would put me through, and asked my name, and when I told him he said he was already on my case and had my notes in front of him (which must mean something is happening, as why would he have my 'case notes' if the GP hasn't sent the form back yet?). Anyway, he asked how he could help and I told him the problem, and he said he would phone the GP and tell her to fill in the form and leave the box blank about the weight loss surgery and send in my two letters with the form. He also said he is pretty sure that I won't have to attend the weight management course. I told him I feel like piggy in the middle, as the Consultant and his colleague and now him, as well as the co-ordinator from the weight management scheme had all told me I wouldn't have to do it, yet the GP seems to think I will. Anyway, he is phoning her and I have to put in a letter to her to give my permission to pass on my letters with the form, then I just have to wait to hear about the funding.
Kind of a bit more promising, but I feel like an emotional yo yo at the moment.
Will report here if I hear anymore.
Thanks for the reply.
Gerry
Nic318
Post-op Gastric Bypass
Sorry I've not been around for the past week. Truth is there was nothing to tell until today anyway, and have been rather rushed off my feet. My ex-Mother-in-Law died last Tuesday. Whilst she is no longer any connection to me, she is still my kids Nan, and ex-husband's mother. He was here when he got the phone call. It's been quite a shock to the whole family.
Have made two more calls to the surgery in the past week as I hadn't heard back from the GP, each time leaving a message, each time not getting a call back, so on Thursday (after yet another day with no call back) I phoned and left a message asking if she either wanted to call me or did she want me to make an appointment to see her. She was in today and finally called back (I'd said don't call until after 3.30pm as I was out - she called at lunch time and left a message :sigh
Basically she has said that the Surrey PCT have very strict rules that you have to follow their guidelines (which means the Weight Management Course :cry
I don't know what to do next. I don't know if the woman from the weight management course did speak to her and tell her I was a prime candidate, or what. I feel like giving up. I don't adapt well to change, can't stand group things, can't travel or attend appointments on my own etc etc. Hubby doesn't have enough holiday to take a day off for 12 weeks on the trot to take me to this group thing that I would not be able to handle anyway. If he done that, then he wouldn't have enough time left if and when I did get the op, to be at home to help me and take me to the appointments for that, so whichever way we go I can't win. I just want to howl and howl.
I also feel a total fool, because I have been telling family and friends that I am going to be having this op, now it doesn't look like I will be able to.
Going private isn't an option as Tax Credits have decided they have overpaid us £3K, and we have to pay that back.
There is no way going private is an option for us now.
Anyway, I will probably go along and see my GP again, to tell her that I am feeling like piggy in the middle, and exactly what the manager at the PCT told me and what the consultant told me, and how I can't get to this course (which has now already started, and which I can't afford, nor could I cope with etc).
If she won't help, I will try seeing my specialist at the hospital about my HMS, and see if he will do me a referral instead. I just wish my GP would listen and understand what I have said.
Sorry to just have a rant, not really feeling up to much else just now.
Gerry
Hi Gerry
So sorry to hear your still having such difficulties I really do feel for you!
Hopefully your GP hearing it from the PCT will now listen as its not her money is it its down to the PCT all she has to do is do a letter!
Thinking of you xx
Thanks Nic. I'm feeling a bit more positive about it now. Hopefully the GP's secretary has sent off the letters and the form by now and it won't be too long before I hear about the funding. I'm not building my hopes up though, they could still turn me down.
Will post here when I hear anything.
Been mega stressed lately and yesterday was a really down day, couldn't stop crying and everything seemed to go wrong.
Still, have to try and work through it. Hopefully things will get better.
Gerry
Will post here when I hear anything.
Been mega stressed lately and yesterday was a really down day, couldn't stop crying and everything seemed to go wrong.
Still, have to try and work through it. Hopefully things will get better.
Gerry
Thanks Nic, it's great to see that someone cares .
Going through a bit of a down time at the moment, hence why I'm not around. Sleeping a lot but as much sleep as I can get is never enough. In lots of pain too, for which pain killers are not working, so once again, sleep seems to be the best way to get away from it (when my body will allow).
Not heard anything from the doctor or PCT yet.
Will post when there is anything to report. Meanwhile I've not forgotten everyone here. Often think of you all but just don't have the energy to type.
Gerry
.Going through a bit of a down time at the moment, hence why I'm not around. Sleeping a lot but as much sleep as I can get is never enough. In lots of pain too, for which pain killers are not working, so once again, sleep seems to be the best way to get away from it (when my body will allow).
Not heard anything from the doctor or PCT yet.
Will post when there is anything to report. Meanwhile I've not forgotten everyone here. Often think of you all but just don't have the energy to type.
Gerry
Just had a bit of good news for a change. Hubby's had a letter today from a neighbouring distric council. In March, I parked outside the cemetery where my Mum & Dad are laid to rest. It's a very narrow road with busses and cars trying to get through. I put my passenger side wheels on the pavement and slid across the car to get out that side as it takes me longer to get in and out than it would do with an able bodied person, what with traffic coming past pretty fast.
It was the first time I'd got out of the house for weeks (other than the daily school run) and we made a good job of tidying up my Mum and Dad's grave.
Two weeks later I got a parking ticket through the post. Spotted with two wheels on the pavement and fined £50 or £100 if I didn't pay within two weeks.
Hubby wroted to them explaining why I had parked like that (certainly not a narrow pavement and plenty of room to get past). He said he appreciated they had seen my car parked in that way, but hoped they had also seen my disabled badges and the scooter in the boot of the car. He also said how it was easier for me to get out like that, and that I was conscious of people getting past as I needed to myself etc. He ended by asking if we were to assume that disabled people were only welcome at the cemetery on a one way visit - feet first.
Anyway, todays letter from them says that given the circumstances, they are cancelling the ticket YAAAAAY !!
Still very sleepy and coming up to TOTM, so have stopped taking my iron pills as there is no way I can go through what I went through last month where I kept passing out.
Gerry
It was the first time I'd got out of the house for weeks (other than the daily school run) and we made a good job of tidying up my Mum and Dad's grave.
Two weeks later I got a parking ticket through the post. Spotted with two wheels on the pavement and fined £50 or £100 if I didn't pay within two weeks.
Hubby wroted to them explaining why I had parked like that (certainly not a narrow pavement and plenty of room to get past). He said he appreciated they had seen my car parked in that way, but hoped they had also seen my disabled badges and the scooter in the boot of the car. He also said how it was easier for me to get out like that, and that I was conscious of people getting past as I needed to myself etc. He ended by asking if we were to assume that disabled people were only welcome at the cemetery on a one way visit - feet first.
Anyway, todays letter from them says that given the circumstances, they are cancelling the ticket
YAAAAAY !!Still very sleepy and coming up to TOTM, so have stopped taking my iron pills as there is no way I can go through what I went through last month where I kept passing out.
Gerry
Nic318
Post-op Gastric Bypass
Just had a bit of good news for a change. Hubby's had a letter today from a neighbouring distric council. In March, I parked outside the cemetery where my Mum & Dad are laid to rest. It's a very narrow road with busses and cars trying to get through. I put my passenger side wheels on the pavement and slid across the car to get out that side as it takes me longer to get in and out than it would do with an able bodied person, what with traffic coming past pretty fast.
It was the first time I'd got out of the house for weeks (other than the daily school run) and we made a good job of tidying up my Mum and Dad's grave.
Two weeks later I got a parking ticket through the post. Spotted with two wheels on the pavement and fined £50 or £100 if I didn't pay within two weeks.
Hubby wroted to them explaining why I had parked like that (certainly not a narrow pavement and plenty of room to get past). He said he appreciated they had seen my car parked in that way, but hoped they had also seen my disabled badges and the scooter in the boot of the car. He also said how it was easier for me to get out like that, and that I was conscious of people getting past as I needed to myself etc. He ended by asking if we were to assume that disabled people were only welcome at the cemetery on a one way visit - feet first.
Anyway, todays letter from them says that given the circumstances, they are cancelling the ticket
Still very sleepy and coming up to TOTM, so have stopped taking my iron pills as there is no way I can go through what I went through last month where I kept passing out.
Gerry
Hi Gerry,
I'm always around so anytime you want to chat/shoulder to cry on etc I'll be there for you no worries!
Good to hear you had a "tiny bit" of good news at least and hoping you hear some more soon, am thinking of you xxx
georgina
New Member
hi gerry its me lol, just been reading through ur thread and i cried for u hun, u just keep onto them do whatever u got to do hun and a bypass is no quick fix trust me, its bloody hard work at times its physical as well as emotional id like a dr to say that to me the cheeky bloody swines, anyway take care lv georgina xxx
Sorry I've not been around for a little while folks. Been quite poorly again but starting to feel better now and looking forward to catching up with everyone's news.
One good piece of news for me is that the PCT have now got my notes through from the GP and they will be making their decision on 11th June, so fingers crossed.
Hope everyone else is doing well.
Gerry
One good piece of news for me is that the PCT have now got my notes through from the GP and they will be making their decision on 11th June, so fingers crossed.
Hope everyone else is doing well.
Gerry
