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What is "work"? Please define it. :)
- Thread starter cah-ching
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Oh dear CC this is a question to which the answer would be yes ....and no. How much anyone loses is a lottery to be honest. There have been studies about average % weight losses for band/bypass and sleeve which say for the bypass sightly higher at between 60 and 70% of ewl however many lose more, some lose less. A lot depends on the individual too.
147lbs is acheivable with a band I've seen people post on other forums who have done that. Its very acheivable with a bypass and we have a number of people who have done it Nic was around your start weight and is now 10st 2 in 16 months after her op.
HTH
M
147lbs is acheivable with a band I've seen people post on other forums who have done that. Its very acheivable with a bypass and we have a number of people who have done it Nic was around your start weight and is now 10st 2 in 16 months after her op.
HTH
M
Liz has lost loads with her band. Serenity love started with a lot to lose with her band (not too sure how far along she is as she doesnt post any more) Cazbandy started with quite a bit to lose and is doing brilliantly.
It can be achieved, but its going to depend on the individual. Liz and Caz both work very hard to make their bands work for them.
As for bypass, theres lots on here that have lost 10st+, Nic, Shell, Carole, WL18S, Janey... I'm sure there are others, but I cant think who at the minute.
It can be achieved, but its going to depend on the individual. Liz and Caz both work very hard to make their bands work for them.
As for bypass, theres lots on here that have lost 10st+, Nic, Shell, Carole, WL18S, Janey... I'm sure there are others, but I cant think who at the minute.
fatbutnot4eva
Loves her gorgeous family
Hi
Like CCPM says its yes and no, I have a band but was told by my surgeon that with the amount i need to lose i shoudl have a bypass (he said NO at first to the band) I finally after alot of heartache got my band and it is very slow weight loss which is not a bad thing BUT its very hard (I am not saying a bypass isnt) I was told it is easier to cheat with a band eat slider food chocolate etc. I though so what I dont eat chocolate or snack i just like big amounts of food BUT now I have my band becuase massive amounts of food wont go in I find I resort to that quick fix of slider food - I know you are thinking why the hell would you do that - I dont know because it is in my head and they didnt fix that.
I hope I am not wrong and that I should have had a bypass, but its early days for me not even 6 weeks.
I have read that after 18 months to 2 years there is very little difference between those who have had teh band and those who haev had teh bypass and that the weight loss is pretty much the same, but then i have also read that the band will help you lose 40 - 50 % of what you are overweight whereas the bypass is 60 - 70 %. It does all depend on the individual though as with all diets.
You have to do what your head says to though and not just be drawn in with amounts and statistics becuase what works for one person doesnt for another.
I chose the band and although I am finding it hard at the moment I have only had 1 fill of 2ml and am hoping that when i get back to the gym in 2 weeks and have another fill I will hit that "sweet" spot.
I wish you look in what you decide because in teh end it is up to you x
Helen
Like CCPM says its yes and no, I have a band but was told by my surgeon that with the amount i need to lose i shoudl have a bypass (he said NO at first to the band) I finally after alot of heartache got my band and it is very slow weight loss which is not a bad thing BUT its very hard (I am not saying a bypass isnt) I was told it is easier to cheat with a band eat slider food chocolate etc. I though so what I dont eat chocolate or snack i just like big amounts of food BUT now I have my band becuase massive amounts of food wont go in I find I resort to that quick fix of slider food - I know you are thinking why the hell would you do that - I dont know because it is in my head and they didnt fix that.
I hope I am not wrong and that I should have had a bypass, but its early days for me not even 6 weeks.
I have read that after 18 months to 2 years there is very little difference between those who have had teh band and those who haev had teh bypass and that the weight loss is pretty much the same, but then i have also read that the band will help you lose 40 - 50 % of what you are overweight whereas the bypass is 60 - 70 %. It does all depend on the individual though as with all diets.
You have to do what your head says to though and not just be drawn in with amounts and statistics becuase what works for one person doesnt for another.
I chose the band and although I am finding it hard at the moment I have only had 1 fill of 2ml and am hoping that when i get back to the gym in 2 weeks and have another fill I will hit that "sweet" spot.
I wish you look in what you decide because in teh end it is up to you x
Helen
j.u.s.t.l.i.z.
Runs Srh Support Group
its achievable but a constant battle to lose that amount of weight with a band it requires 100% will power as its so easy to cheat with a band if your having a bad day its so easy to go and comfort eat with chocolate or crisps ect, if you dont think you have the will power on a long term basis then banding isnt the correct choice but ultimatley only you truely know your own eating habbits so be true to yourself and make the correct choice as theres nothing worse than regreting your op choice.
cazbandy
Bring on the Trumpets!
Yes it is possible, one of my surgeons patients has lost 185lbs with her band but that took three years in total.
It takes all the will in theowrld to make a band work.
You have to learn that it's your ball and chain. It will be loose to start with but as restriction is acheived the weight (as long as you make good sensible options on your food) should continue on a downward trend.
You have to learn to find better choices.
I now if I am having a hungry as I call it will first make a drink, as so often thirst and hunger are mixed up. The if half an hour later I still have the hungry I will have some cottage cheese (lowest fat version, or a muller light (fat free) or a melba toast dry (that does the trick everytime its boring as hell but fills me up)
I am determined however long it takes to get 10 stone off in total as a starting goal. I have 3 and bit stone to go for that target...
That has taken over a year.
Banding is not the magic wave a wand quick fix it is sometimes portrayed as. It takes hard work and sweat like any other diet you've been on.
But I have never regained any weight...just stalled, so I am happy
It takes all the will in theowrld to make a band work.
You have to learn that it's your ball and chain. It will be loose to start with but as restriction is acheived the weight (as long as you make good sensible options on your food) should continue on a downward trend.
You have to learn to find better choices.
I now if I am having a hungry as I call it will first make a drink, as so often thirst and hunger are mixed up. The if half an hour later I still have the hungry I will have some cottage cheese (lowest fat version, or a muller light (fat free) or a melba toast dry (that does the trick everytime its boring as hell but fills me up)
I am determined however long it takes to get 10 stone off in total as a starting goal. I have 3 and bit stone to go for that target...
That has taken over a year.
Banding is not the magic wave a wand quick fix it is sometimes portrayed as. It takes hard work and sweat like any other diet you've been on.
But I have never regained any weight...just stalled, so I am happy
Ah Neen, sorry I didnt include you in my previous examples of banders who started with quite a bit to lose and have done brilliantly.
You are a shining example of how with hard work and determination a band can work for those with a higher starting BMI.
cah-ching
Moderator
I'm a lazy bugger if I'm honest. I have virtually zilch willpower (I'm basing this opinion on my attempts with Cambridge Diet) sometimes and other times I have cast-iron will power.
Today I'm going for bloods - I'm peckish as hell. Been peckish since 1am this morning. I told myself that having a bisucuit won't hurt 14 hours before bloods, but then I told myself I need to get bloods done and haven't touched a thing. I don't eat my cakes etc. I love the feeling of full. Once I have the full feeling I'm ok. It's the full feeling I crave for ... if that makes any sense lol
Today I'm going for bloods - I'm peckish as hell. Been peckish since 1am this morning. I told myself that having a bisucuit won't hurt 14 hours before bloods, but then I told myself I need to get bloods done and haven't touched a thing. I don't eat my cakes etc. I love the feeling of full. Once I have the full feeling I'm ok. It's the full feeling I crave for ... if that makes any sense lol
phatmomma
New Member
Cah Ching you are not saying anything about the full feeling that any of us dont know! The feeling of satiety is awesome, and although i shouldn't say it, is sometimes better than sex and lasts longer too....
I am having a bypass sometime this year and i know whenever i go to meetups of wls patients i sit in awe when they say how little they eat..... and they are full! The fear of being hungry is flipping awful isn't it?
I am having a bypass sometime this year and i know whenever i go to meetups of wls patients i sit in awe when they say how little they eat..... and they are full! The fear of being hungry is flipping awful isn't it?
cah-ching
Moderator
Hi Julie,
I'm pleased I'm not a nutcase then!!!
I so want to be full on very little. I'm happy to live off eating lettuce and chicken if it sol long as I'm full quickly (I'd say satisfied too but in part thats a mental thing).
I can happily do without icecream and chocolate (although apple pie & custard is a must occasional treat)
I'm pleased I'm not a nutcase then!!!
I so want to be full on very little. I'm happy to live off eating lettuce and chicken if it sol long as I'm full quickly (I'd say satisfied too but in part thats a mental thing).
I can happily do without icecream and chocolate (although apple pie & custard is a must occasional treat
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phatgirl
New Member
I hope you don't mind me wading in as I am a bypasser and of course have no experience of 'work' as a bander. However I do have an opinion, don't we all?
I think the 'work' that is required for the band is actually very much like a diet. You must make healthy choices all along the way, you must monitor how much you eat in each sitting (not just eat to fullness) because sometimes, between fills you will be able to eat a higher volume. You must also cut out eating any type of slider foods (crisps, ice cream, candy, biscuits) as you will be able to eat a large volume before feeling full. You must also avoid grazing behaviour as you can double or even tripple you food intake over the span of a day by having small high calorie meals. So basically you will have a tool to help you eat less at meal time but you control what you eat, how often you eat and if you drink while eating. You have more responsibility when you have a band, only you can make it work. For successful banders, it is a source of pride that they were able to do it and they should feel proud.
With the bypass for the early months, many people will find that even with bad habits they will drop weight. Because the weight goes very swiftly the 'reward' for is immediate, many bypassers will reach their goal by a year post-op and nearly all reach goal by year 2. However, this can be made difficult if during the early months the bypasser doesn't make permanent diet changes. They will find the second half of their journey harder and may even see re-gain before year 2. With a band the effort to lose is more so therefore the diet change is re-inforced, if you don't change your diet you don't lose! These are just my thoughts and like I said I don't have experience of band 'work' I can only guess and it looks hard to me but it obviously can be done just look at the success stories on this forum.
Nic
I think the 'work' that is required for the band is actually very much like a diet. You must make healthy choices all along the way, you must monitor how much you eat in each sitting (not just eat to fullness) because sometimes, between fills you will be able to eat a higher volume. You must also cut out eating any type of slider foods (crisps, ice cream, candy, biscuits) as you will be able to eat a large volume before feeling full. You must also avoid grazing behaviour as you can double or even tripple you food intake over the span of a day by having small high calorie meals. So basically you will have a tool to help you eat less at meal time but you control what you eat, how often you eat and if you drink while eating. You have more responsibility when you have a band, only you can make it work. For successful banders, it is a source of pride that they were able to do it and they should feel proud.
With the bypass for the early months, many people will find that even with bad habits they will drop weight. Because the weight goes very swiftly the 'reward' for is immediate, many bypassers will reach their goal by a year post-op and nearly all reach goal by year 2. However, this can be made difficult if during the early months the bypasser doesn't make permanent diet changes. They will find the second half of their journey harder and may even see re-gain before year 2. With a band the effort to lose is more so therefore the diet change is re-inforced, if you don't change your diet you don't lose! These are just my thoughts and like I said I don't have experience of band 'work' I can only guess and it looks hard to me but it obviously can be done just look at the success stories on this forum.
Nic
cazbandy
Bring on the Trumpets!
The work that you have to do with a band is to know it's limitations as a tool.
Basically it's there as a physical reminder that you should eat slower, less quantity and certain foods may be difficult.
The work involves making sure that what you do eat is a good choice. That is has beneficial nutrional qualities.
It is up to the individual to follow guideline set by their providers and surgeons and learn how to deal with issues surrounding why they over ate in the first place.
Any weightloss surgery is hard work.
There is the recovery time and getting back to a more normal eating routine and learning what you can and cannot do.
Banders have to carefully monitor quantity and type of intake, bypassers have to monitor their fat and sugar intake and keep an eye on vitamin deficiencies and sleevers have a similar journey to a bander.
It's not always a smooth journey...sometimes things can go wrong.
This is something I will never take for granted.
Basically it's there as a physical reminder that you should eat slower, less quantity and certain foods may be difficult.
The work involves making sure that what you do eat is a good choice. That is has beneficial nutrional qualities.
It is up to the individual to follow guideline set by their providers and surgeons and learn how to deal with issues surrounding why they over ate in the first place.
Any weightloss surgery is hard work.
There is the recovery time and getting back to a more normal eating routine and learning what you can and cannot do.
Banders have to carefully monitor quantity and type of intake, bypassers have to monitor their fat and sugar intake and keep an eye on vitamin deficiencies and sleevers have a similar journey to a bander.
It's not always a smooth journey...sometimes things can go wrong.
This is something I will never take for granted.
fatbutnot4eva
Loves her gorgeous family
I dont even know yet what work is needed all I know is that someone who had the bypass the same day as me has lost 3 stone. I have lost 9lb, which in 6 weeks I could have lost more on SW or WW.
However it even after 6 weeks is early days and takes some getting used to and I know with effort it will work, I go back to the gym in 2 weeks and know that will kick start my weight loss again and also get me motivated, I think Nic has hit the nail on the head in that a diet still needs to be followed with the band due to the amount of restriction between fills (I didnt honestly take all this in) whereas the bypass is immediate restriction which will not allow chocolate or sweet food without terrible pain/dumping.
What does your surgeon suggest to you ? do you have a preference and why ?
My (and only my) opinion of what work is -
Being able to eat whatever I want and still needing to use massive willpower to resist. (I am hoping this changes with more fills) because if it doesnt this is why i am fat to start with.
Now I am wanting what i never wanted before only because its easier i.e. chocolate, wotsits, quavers.
I never ate chocolate before my band now it is so easy.
I think it would be easier if I couldnt phsically eat something.
I honestly think I should have had a bypass right at this moment BUT I chose the band and I will give it 100%.
Helen
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However it even after 6 weeks is early days and takes some getting used to and I know with effort it will work, I go back to the gym in 2 weeks and know that will kick start my weight loss again and also get me motivated, I think Nic has hit the nail on the head in that a diet still needs to be followed with the band due to the amount of restriction between fills (I didnt honestly take all this in) whereas the bypass is immediate restriction which will not allow chocolate or sweet food without terrible pain/dumping.
What does your surgeon suggest to you ? do you have a preference and why ?
My (and only my) opinion of what work is -
Being able to eat whatever I want and still needing to use massive willpower to resist. (I am hoping this changes with more fills) because if it doesnt this is why i am fat to start with.
Now I am wanting what i never wanted before only because its easier i.e. chocolate, wotsits, quavers.
I never ate chocolate before my band now it is so easy.
I think it would be easier if I couldnt phsically eat something.
I honestly think I should have had a bypass right at this moment BUT I chose the band and I will give it 100%.
Helen
x
I'm with Cazbandy, all the wls ops require 'work' and while a lot of people say wls is not a 'diet' it does require you to watch what you eat for various reasons so to me it is. I just see a diet as a defined way of eating. Before my op/WW my 'diet' was eating everything I could get hold of.
Immediately post bypass you will, whatever you do, drop weight (with an odd stall or 2 thrown in if you're lucky) BUT (and its big BUT so capitals required), as you get further out the hunger and cravings comes back and you need to work at controlling what you eat to get the final weight off because your pouch stretches and isn't such a help as early on.
In my opinion there's only one key to the work for any diet be it WW, band, bypass, sleeve - eat less than a certain level of calories which your body burns each day and help that by exercise if you wish and you should loose weight. If you want to eat a lot of high cal food you can't have much of it before that level is reached, if you make 'healthy choices' you can eat more and its better for your body etc. The bypass aids you in that it will reject fat, sugar etc for some people but by no means all, it further assists cos you can't cram so much in but it gets more over time.
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M
Immediately post bypass you will, whatever you do, drop weight (with an odd stall or 2 thrown in if you're lucky) BUT (and its big BUT so capitals required), as you get further out the hunger and cravings comes back and you need to work at controlling what you eat to get the final weight off because your pouch stretches and isn't such a help as early on.
In my opinion there's only one key to the work for any diet be it WW, band, bypass, sleeve - eat less than a certain level of calories which your body burns each day and help that by exercise if you wish and you should loose weight. If you want to eat a lot of high cal food you can't have much of it before that level is reached, if you make 'healthy choices' you can eat more and its better for your body etc. The bypass aids you in that it will reject fat, sugar etc for some people but by no means all, it further assists cos you can't cram so much in but it gets more over time.
Oops turned into a sermon
M
bexmoss86
New Member
Im with Caz here.
"The work that you have to do with a band is to know it's limitations as a tool."
I see my band not as the be all and end all of my weight loss, but as a little voice which is there to remind me of what im doing and why i'm doing it.
If I eat slightly too much, boy do I know about it, and that little voice tells me by giving me a poke and telling me to buck my ideas up.
I think if you accept that it is going to be difficult to lose the weight from the get-go, even with the help of your little reminding voice, then you are halfway there already.
"The work that you have to do with a band is to know it's limitations as a tool."
I see my band not as the be all and end all of my weight loss, but as a little voice which is there to remind me of what im doing and why i'm doing it.
If I eat slightly too much, boy do I know about it, and that little voice tells me by giving me a poke and telling me to buck my ideas up.
I think if you accept that it is going to be difficult to lose the weight from the get-go, even with the help of your little reminding voice, then you are halfway there already.
cah-ching
Moderator
Thanks guys. I wasn't being facetious and I hope you don't think I was being. I was truly interested in how you define "work" ... as "work" is often talked about but never laid bare for all to see pre-op and post oppers alike.
It has definately served to educate me and ultimately help with my surgery choice - that said I hope it has done the same for others lurkers and posters alike. I hope others choose to contribute as I'm always interested in opinions.
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It has definately served to educate me and ultimately help with my surgery choice - that said I hope it has done the same for others lurkers and posters alike. I hope others choose to contribute as I'm always interested in opinions.
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